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01-18-2018 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by a dewd
The stallers are a serious pain in the ass. The Early Special gets at least one full table of them and they time down and disconnect every action. Mostly it's people that can't afford the big $20 entry so they do everything possible to min cash. I'd love to see re-seating or something once the late registration closes. That would eliminate the min cash maestros. I have crashed late in the last level, but purely with the idea of a punt and pray strategy into a multi player pot. Stalling to make the min cash is infuriating when it's an entire table of them. You have a valid point there.

It's good to ask the questions here. TD and WPN_rep have been very good with at least responding. You'll also get less than productive comments, too.
It's fine but how is changing blinds going to stop it in any game/levels? Seating should be random. You guys are trying to change something that is impossible to change. I find is super annoying as well, I think it's rude and bad sportsmanship. Until you get rid of players that stall, what's the solution? I mean they have every right to use timebank to stall, It's just -EV IMO.

You could look at it the other way and realize stallers aren't very good players for the most part and adjust. Stallers and AFK people are easy to pick on. I don't want to go into too much strategy, but the AFK's are more of a problem than stallers if you are SS.

I don't understand about re-seating, are you saying put all the stalling players on one table? I mean i have no clue how you are going to get software to 'identify' stallers and move them. Not that it does any good anyways, if you are on the money bubble it's HfH.

The only thing stalling affects at that point is playing less hands per blind level, but there is no advantage/disadvantage to any one player.

Changed/add blinds levels, do what they want with it. Longer/slower blind levels means AFK people last longer.
01-18-2018 , 02:56 PM
hows about just re establishing some of the sats they had before the schedule change...
01-18-2018 , 03:16 PM
I dunno what's going on really, hard to follow all the flipping things around. RIP Smaller player pool games. Games don't run now that use to run daily.
01-18-2018 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Windpspro
I dunno what's going on really, hard to follow all the flipping things around. RIP Smaller player pool games. Games don't run now that use to run daily.
There's way more value going around now than last year. They just lack some $1k-$5k daily buy ins. $1k-$5k would be high enough to keep the nits out but low enough for the low ballers to take shots. I think the site is ready to jump up to a higher level and bring in some super high rollers. Would be nice to get a daily shark rally going. That way we can put on a show for the low ballers.
01-18-2018 , 05:44 PM
So really not going to have sats to a $320 buy in? lol ffs........
01-18-2018 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Windpspro
I dunno what's going on really, hard to follow all the flipping things around. RIP Smaller player pool games. Games don't run now that use to run daily.
It's no wonder they have been burning money all week, the incompetence is real.
01-18-2018 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FreshThyme
It's no wonder they have been burning money all week, the incompetence is real.
Just when i thought you had turned a new leaf...

If only you knew what is going on you might actually be impressed.
01-18-2018 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
Just when i thought you had turned a new leaf...

If only you knew what is going on you might actually be impressed.
I mean, is pointing out that you should have sats the entire day for your biggest buy in of the day negative? Plenty of us would grind them all day long, but they are never there until right before the target starts. I'll be playing regardless, but it'd be nice to get some fish in them.

I hope something good is happening with the sats, because you guys are seriously missing the boat the way you're doing it now.

Have been loving the schedule though, great work.
01-18-2018 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by xBIGx
There's way more value going around now than last year. They just lack some $1k-$5k daily buy ins. $1k-$5k would be high enough to keep the nits out but low enough for the low ballers to take shots. I think the site is ready to jump up to a higher level and bring in some super high rollers. Would be nice to get a daily shark rally going. That way we can put on a show for the low ballers.
I'm OK with this, I just don't want to be left in the dust because they close all the smaller games and all we have to play is $20+ NLHE
01-19-2018 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FreshThyme
TD, how long do you plan to leave things as they are before you cut GTD's? I know you can't just keep bleeding money, but I do hope you let them go at least until the end of the month and people start hearing about the new schedule and the big prize pools.

The Streaks are failing, how long do you plan to run these? Pretty apparent people aren't very excited about them or just have no idea what they are if you're getting 1/10th of the required players. I still think they will work in the $1-$22 buy in range, but you'll be lucky to get them to run higher, especially given the large player cap to start. I see why the high cap, but if you think 100 people are pre-reging a $265 at this current point in time on WPN you're delusional. You guys have trained people to not buy in to start the tournament, hard to randomly go back now and try to offer a huge freezeout that's a gimmick.

As far as the argument about late reg above goes, imo it's time to start trimming it back and limiting entries. The current set up is and always has been bad for recs and most regs except the top %. Clearly the site still needs long late reg and reentry to get the prize pools, I'm fine with that, but it isn't the status quo because people like it, it's the status quo because most of your player base (American's) haven't had any other option but this since like 2012. Oddly enough, a terrible network like Merge had a daily $215 getting to $50K on the regular without reentries in 2012, you mean to tell me WPN couldn't do that too? Again, not saying get rid of them, you can't, but it needs to be addressed finally and not with a dumb gimmick tournament.
Since I started playing in 2005 I've watched the parade of gimmicks that sites come up with in poker tournaments: ante-only, jackpots, SNGs of different sizes and at least 10 others I could think of if I wanted to take a minute to make a list.

A lot of poker players are always looking for shiny new toy, whether it's Bitcoin deposits, hyperturbos, or whatever else the cool kids will be doing next week. I've seen players in these forums jump right into the newest thing, then start a forum thread to try to figure out how it works--which of course is entirely backwards and definitely -EV.

Also, some of the new things aren't even new. For example, how is a 180-player SNG different than an MTT freezeout with about the same amount of players?
01-19-2018 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
Yet so many play them.. There are now plenty of tournaments with 2 hour late reg.

Sorry windspro if you dont like big gtd's, the majority of people do.

I will repeat one more time, there will be small mistakes i am sure. Building the schedule is a very manual process and it has been a very stressful task getting them ready but we are starting tomorrow. If you see something, if you could kindly PM me and i will get it fixed that would be much appreciated.


I just looked through the whole midstakes schedule and didn't see a single two hour LR that wasn't a turbo.
01-19-2018 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by A_C_Slater
I just looked through the whole midstakes schedule and didn't see a single two hour LR that wasn't a turbo.
About 100% certain there isn't any besides the streak. They always put in little buy ins with no guarantee and no advertising and wonder why no one plays them.
01-19-2018 , 06:01 PM
Can we get some ante up tournaments in the new schedule at the $27-55 buyin level?
01-19-2018 , 09:37 PM
So the $100k GTD overlayed by ~$50k today, Millions are overlaying, as are numerous other tournaments... at some point doesn't this give some cause for concern?
01-19-2018 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jmrode67
So the $100k GTD overlayed by ~$50k today, Millions are overlaying, as are numerous other tournaments... at some point doesn't this give some cause for concern?
No

Poker sites make lots and lots of money. Despite punting like $300K+ between a few mtts this week, would venture to guess they aren't losing much if any money. Even if it cuts into profit or goes slightly negative for a few weeks, what better advertising can you get? People will hear about the overlay and come play here that normally wouldn't takes a little time.

Milly barely overlayed when factoring in rake, btw.
01-20-2018 , 03:11 PM


Sighaments

This was with 8 mins to go btw

97 with 3 mins until 2:15 and they kill it, come on.
01-20-2018 , 03:13 PM
WHat just happened to the $265 $200k

Min 100 players to start. at 11:11am there were 97 players and it canceled the tournament. There was a satty already in progress that guaranteed 4 seats!

Why did it not wait til 1115 to cancel the tournament. Not a good move.
01-20-2018 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mcmatto1
WHat just happened to the $265 $200k

Min 100 players to start. at 11:11am there were 97 players and it canceled the tournament. There was a satty already in progress that guaranteed 4 seats!

Why did it not wait til 1115 to cancel the tournament. Not a good move.
Right me and a few others were hawking the lobby sweating it, extra lame.
01-20-2018 , 03:22 PM
I was just about to click register at 2:12 as the 98th and the lobby closed on me before I could get in, haha
01-20-2018 , 03:25 PM
just so damn annoying when the cancel the Marque tournament of the day. Didn't make plans today so that I could grind this schedule.

Throws a big wrench in it when the biggest tournament of the day is cancelled.

Like cancelling the Sunday main event
01-20-2018 , 03:42 PM
I did not kill it or cancel it you will see these tournaments for the 265 will close reg a few minutes before starting as it shows in the above screenshot.. I did not cancel it.
01-20-2018 , 03:51 PM
Not insinuating that at all.

Just wondering WHY it cancels 3 mins prior to it starting? There was a satty w 13 players left and 4 getting seats that would have met the 100 person minimum

May i suggest for the bigger buy in streaks (which i like) they start LATER in the schedule. For example I was starting my schedule today with the $265. I was pre regged so didnt affect me. But someone else doing the same, if they are 5 minutes late. You get my point

in the above example, if this streak started 45 mins later, The sat would have been finished and the minimum would have been met.

Feel these tournaments starting a bit later in the schedule will help them run more often
01-20-2018 , 04:01 PM
the reason i made them this early in the first place was so that ROW would also like the time they started even though our player base is the US mainly i tried to put it at a good time for everyone. I think its definitely something i need to look at making it 1 hour later minimum. At the moment i am working because as of monday they will allow 1 re entry. For now only the 265 and i will work on the rest later
01-20-2018 , 04:02 PM
I guess I'm confused why every other tournament I've seen on the site cancels with a minute or so to go, but this one 3.

+1 to one reentry
01-20-2018 , 04:04 PM
You will see that in the 265's . Cant go in to too much detail but they will close reg slightly earlier than 1 minute before

      
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