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01-16-2018 , 02:51 PM
People are more likely to play a 1k GTD than a $200 GTD, doesn't mean they love 3-5hr LR, it means they like higher prize pools. Smaller tourneys are obviously going to get less traffic with the illusion that they are somehow better value.

Not many of the higher GTD's are 2hr LR, so of course they will have less traffic. I don't really care to play many higher GTD/LR unless i'm going to play all day. I'm not asking for GTD, i'm fine with smaller fields, I just don't agree with the reasoning.

Maybe people don't like playing smaller tourneys with long blind levels.

I have nothing to back this up other than an observation but the traffic does look lower for MTT's. You would think being winter the traffic would be higher.

I just spent 6 hours winning a small $2 re-buy because the blinds are way too long from bubble to 1st. We spent over a hour on the bubble. One of the reason people don't play smaller tourney's. I have no trouble winning them, but given the long FT blinds(well over a hour) it's hard to justify playing it. It's not because the GTD is lower, not because it has 2 or 5hr LR. It's because for the money/prizepool the blinds do not scale well.

On other side of the coin, some turbos having no more than a 10-12bb avg once the FT hits, making those a donkey fest. I mean saying it's just people complaining is disregarding the issues they preset. If you speed up or slow down blinds jumps depending on the tourney, you make the games flow well. You can't just say one size fits all. I dunno how you can say they last under 6 hours, unless it's turbo's not many do.

The key is making all kinds of tourneys. Plenty of tourney's i don't like, i don't play them, but that doesn't mean someone else doesn't. But making very little freezeouts, short LR other than turbo's is annoying. They have made more but the vast majority is still a push to play ALL day long. That's just not something everyone wants to do. Again, just because someone plays a 5hr LR doesn't mean they like it.

Saying there is plenty to play on WPN, depends on your buy-in level and types of games you play. Plenty to play in the $20+
01-16-2018 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMitchem
To the tournament director, I think the daily big10 $16.50 PLO8 needs a slight adjustment. There are missing blind levels around the money bubble and stalling before h4h is ruining the tournament. The same people abuse it every day.

It has a good structure overall, with plenty of blind levels, 200/400, 300/600, 350/700, 400/800... BUT, right around the money bubble the blinds jump from 500/1000 - 750/1500. The average stack at this point is probably 15-20k, with short stacks stalling once we are ten to the money. It's not uncommon to have 20k at 400/800, 5 from the money, then 20 minutes later having 15k at 750/1500, with 1bb stacks stalling at the other tables, handcuffing you. If you're at a table where no one is stalling, then you get taken advantage of.

These players have too much room to ruin the game for everyone else. We at least need a 600/1200 level.
I'm going to side with WPN on this one. People sit out or stall all the time in any tourney, how does adding a blind level change that? Sure it's annoying in PLO8 when people sit out and stay alive with a bunch of afk's splits.

I've always found stalling to be really stupid idea, esp in turbo's, Blinds go up faster with no chance to build a chip stack.

Wouldn't you want faster blinds to knock them out? Antes would have a much greater effect on people sitting out as they risk nothing per hand, it's a lot easier to stay alive in PLO8. That's kinda just how PLO8 flows though. If you can't adjust to SS's i dunno what to tell you. Sure you will bust out sometimes which sucks, but most of the time it's just dead money.

Last edited by Windpspro; 01-16-2018 at 03:05 PM.
01-16-2018 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SetSetter
Which ones are missing? Their site says the new schedule starts 1/15 (Monday) and I'm looking at the lobby for Monday and it's loaded with all the new tournaments and increased guarantees that are advertised on their site.
Today just looking through...No Stud Hi/Lo at 7pm. They also keep changing the buy-in I didn't check everyone today but they added most of the ones they took out/missing back in today. They took out some of the ones out of the Schedule i would have liked to play
01-16-2018 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
If you could identify them i would really appreciate it - does sound like the $1 rebuy and add on?
yeah the one for today.. i cant remember what it was last night. might have been a 1k
01-16-2018 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ship
wow, people really will find a way to complain about anything possible even if you (in theory, lol) don't give them anything worth complaining about.


just a suggestion based off my experience playing the new 88 sickament yesterday; i feel like the 5 hour late reg structure really does require a 10k starting stack over a 5k one. busted around the 700 level and would easily put another 2 into it if it wasn't a 6-7 bb starting stack. i think the 5k stack would work out a lot better for it if it's structure was like the 4pm pst 109 (ie 15min levels, 3 hour late reg , SS=10bbz at last level) but really think this one and all the 12:30 pst majors should have the 10k 12min 5hour structure. this will also help US recreational players who get off work in the early afternoon/evening still be able to late reg them and make it to bed on time even if they FT (longest non milly mtt i've ever been in was only about 10.5 hours, and as was mentioned a few posts before, EVERY SINGLE LIVE MTT that anyone will ever play will take that long JUST for day 1 [if not a 1 day event obv] much less to win the thing. ******ed to say 8 hours is too much time for a tournament) however, for some of the smaller buy in stuff like 22 4k or something (don't even think this exists anymore just using random example) i think having a slightly shortened structure would be ideal. i noticed you guys made the transition from 15 min levels down to 12 min levels in a lot of these events to help with that and think that is great success. some of the 7.5-8 hour (to win, something most of the complainers in here prob never do) events finish closer to 6 hours which is more appropriate imo.


funny thing is.. if you give these complainers 'what they want' in the form of these shortened structures, they will literally be back in this thread the INSTANT they make a deep run (doubtful) complaining that now the structure's too fast and it's a donk shove fest at the end and to fix it.


on behalf of the actual mtt community, please pleaes please please disregard some of the suggestions itt that are made by people i would bet my last dollar put in ****all worth of volume on the site anyways. obviously the network and traffic continues to grow exponentially as a result of success, not of failure as many itt would seem to wanna believe.


there are a bunch of new turbo offerings , many of which involve deep stacks like 10k or even the 20k one, and all the hypers with 25k starting , like, there are just a mountain of ways to play some tournaments that don't take 8 hours on the network. personally only run something like 1/8 turbo and 7/8 regular so i don't play them that often, but they're literally everywhere throughout the day.


just madness itt lol.

lol.. I bet you're one of those guys that always brags about how much they cash & bink but still in the n3g. Just because you're playing big buy-ins doesn't mean you're good at Poker.
01-16-2018 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Windpspro
I'm going to side with WPN on this one. People sit out or stall all the time in any tourney, how does adding a blind level change that? Sure it's annoying in PLO8 when people sit out and stay alive with a bunch of afk's splits.

I've always found stalling to be really stupid idea, esp in turbo's, Blinds go up faster with no chance to build a chip stack.

Wouldn't you want faster blinds to knock them out? Antes would have a much greater effect on people sitting out as they risk nothing per hand, it's a lot easier to stay alive in PLO8. That's kinda just how PLO8 flows though. If you can't adjust to SS's i dunno what to tell you. Sure you will bust out sometimes which sucks, but most of the time it's just dead money.
Why would I care what a $2 sitngo player thinks about the blind structure? Why would the TD care? It doesn't effect you. You will never even be in this tournament because $16.50 makes you uncomfortable. You're a clueless poser.
01-16-2018 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by xBIGx
lol.. I bet you're one of those guys that always brags about how much they cash & bink but still in the n3g. Just because you're playing big buy-ins doesn't mean you're good at Poker.

hahaha
01-16-2018 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ship
hahaha
Glad I put the dolt on mute
01-16-2018 , 10:00 PM
Played the Million Dollar Sunday couple days ago...liked how everything went. I had a loser ticket got KOed 49 to 1 odds, but the tournament was smooth. Wish it was KO.
01-16-2018 , 10:56 PM
TD, how long do you plan to leave things as they are before you cut GTD's? I know you can't just keep bleeding money, but I do hope you let them go at least until the end of the month and people start hearing about the new schedule and the big prize pools.

The Streaks are failing, how long do you plan to run these? Pretty apparent people aren't very excited about them or just have no idea what they are if you're getting 1/10th of the required players. I still think they will work in the $1-$22 buy in range, but you'll be lucky to get them to run higher, especially given the large player cap to start. I see why the high cap, but if you think 100 people are pre-reging a $265 at this current point in time on WPN you're delusional. You guys have trained people to not buy in to start the tournament, hard to randomly go back now and try to offer a huge freezeout that's a gimmick.

As far as the argument about late reg above goes, imo it's time to start trimming it back and limiting entries. The current set up is and always has been bad for recs and most regs except the top %. Clearly the site still needs long late reg and reentry to get the prize pools, I'm fine with that, but it isn't the status quo because people like it, it's the status quo because most of your player base (American's) haven't had any other option but this since like 2012. Oddly enough, a terrible network like Merge had a daily $215 getting to $50K on the regular without reentries in 2012, you mean to tell me WPN couldn't do that too? Again, not saying get rid of them, you can't, but it needs to be addressed finally and not with a dumb gimmick tournament.
01-16-2018 , 11:14 PM
anyone true poker results not being updated on pocket 5s?
01-17-2018 , 12:49 AM
Personally not a fan of the streak concept. Wont be playing any.
01-17-2018 , 01:34 PM
Is there not sats to the $165 @ 11:15? Would be nice to have some hypers run before/during and maybe a turbo 2-3 seat. Will there be sats that are generic anytime soon? So instead of having to reg and unreg to get TB's you just get TB's or finally the long awaited tickets. That would help every tournament on the site, but you'd need more uniform buy ins.

Last edited by FreshThyme; 01-17-2018 at 01:42 PM.
01-17-2018 , 01:43 PM
There will be .. ^^
01-17-2018 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMitchem
Why would I care what a $2 sitngo player thinks about the blind structure? Why would the TD care? It doesn't effect you. You will never even be in this tournament because $16.50 makes you uncomfortable. You're a clueless poser.
Do you get embarrassed making really stupid posts as a way to try and disregard my statements because you are mad i'm right?

Not that i need to justify your stupidity but i played the $15 last night.

There is a certain thing called Bankroll Management....look it up!

You would be amazed how much to can make at $2-$5 SNG's, But i doubt you know how to play them. You are stuck dumping your money at higher stakes.

I dunno why i'm justifying myself to a guy who clearly is obsessed with WPN. No sense of reality.

Grow up child!
01-17-2018 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
There will be .. ^^
Any way to add a few for the $215 tonight? 0 in the lobby

7 PM $44 $10K also missing
01-17-2018 , 07:03 PM
$1,050 $50K just on Tuesdays only? Will there be one everyday?
01-17-2018 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Windpspro
Do you get embarrassed making really stupid posts as a way to try and disregard my statements because you are mad i'm right?

Not that i need to justify your stupidity but i played the $15 last night.

There is a certain thing called Bankroll Management....look it up!

You would be amazed how much to can make at $2-$5 SNG's, But i doubt you know how to play them. You are stuck dumping your money at higher stakes.

I dunno why i'm justifying myself to a guy who clearly is obsessed with WPN. No sense of reality.

Grow up child!
Yes, I am embarrassed that I responded to you. YOU MAKE ME ANGRY. How is it hard to figure out why I want an extra blind level on the bubble? A BLIND LEVEL THAT EVERY OTHER PLO8 TOURNAMENT HAS. Good players want to see more hands before they have to put their stack at risk and players are stalling at every table, EVEN DURING HAND FOR HAND!! You basically go from 20BB to 10BB during the course of an orbit. The tournament needs a 550/1100 blind level, 600/1200 too... You know, it would be one thing if you were a regular in the games but you can't even afford to play.

I asked TD a question, I thought the missing blind might be an accident, no one asked you anything. And don't lie to yourself, you play the $3 sitngos because you can't adjust to the higher ones. That's why you try so hard to look smart on here.
01-18-2018 , 04:58 AM
Love the new schedule

Can play a full mid to high stakes schedule every day!

Were there any satelites to the 1k high roller yesterday or did i just miss them?

good work
01-18-2018 , 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeMitchem
Yes, I am embarrassed that I responded to you. YOU MAKE ME ANGRY. How is it hard to figure out why I want an extra blind level on the bubble? A BLIND LEVEL THAT EVERY OTHER PLO8 TOURNAMENT HAS. Good players want to see more hands before they have to put their stack at risk and players are stalling at every table, EVEN DURING HAND FOR HAND!! You basically go from 20BB to 10BB during the course of an orbit. The tournament needs a 550/1100 blind level, 600/1200 too... You know, it would be one thing if you were a regular in the games but you can't even afford to play.

I asked TD a question, I thought the missing blind might be an accident, no one asked you anything. And don't lie to yourself, you play the $3 sitngos because you can't adjust to the higher ones. That's why you try so hard to look smart on here.
Anger management helps, I don't have the money to help because i ONLY play small SNG's, But maybe your 'huge' profits you make playing in nosebleed $15 PLO8 you could buy some therapy. Just trying to help a newbie poster.
01-18-2018 , 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeMitchem
Yes, I am embarrassed that I responded to you. YOU MAKE ME ANGRY. How is it hard to figure out why I want an extra blind level on the bubble? A BLIND LEVEL THAT EVERY OTHER PLO8 TOURNAMENT HAS. Good players want to see more hands before they have to put their stack at risk and players are stalling at every table, EVEN DURING HAND FOR HAND!! You basically go from 20BB to 10BB during the course of an orbit. The tournament needs a 550/1100 blind level, 600/1200 too... You know, it would be one thing if you were a regular in the games but you can't even afford to play.

I asked TD a question, I thought the missing blind might be an accident, no one asked you anything. And don't lie to yourself, you play the $3 sitngos because you can't adjust to the higher ones. That's why you try so hard to look smart on here.
The stallers are a serious pain in the ass. The Early Special gets at least one full table of them and they time down and disconnect every action. Mostly it's people that can't afford the big $20 entry so they do everything possible to min cash. I'd love to see re-seating or something once the late registration closes. That would eliminate the min cash maestros. I have crashed late in the last level, but purely with the idea of a punt and pray strategy into a multi player pot. Stalling to make the min cash is infuriating when it's an entire table of them. You have a valid point there.

It's good to ask the questions here. TD and WPN_rep have been very good with at least responding. You'll also get less than productive comments, too.
01-18-2018 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by xBIGx
So you use your ADD meds as an advantage? Yeah, not everyone has ADD meds to keep them focused and playing long hours. These arent even true deep stacked tournaments. I'm sure the massive overlay at every stake will tell you how much everyone hates late reg and pretty tired of it. Combine that with the downtrend of Bitcoin, I know its really hurting them right now since they been holding Bitcoin instead of instantly selling it. The pot is short 50%.
I do not use my ADD meds as an advantage. I'm not sure how you got that from what I said. In fact, one of my poker rules is Don't Play Tired. If I'm too tired to play a tournament I don't take a pill, I take a nap. I often take naps before tournaments.

When I was diagnosed with ADD my doctor put me on a medication. It had nothing to do with poker. I wasn't diagnosed until age 40, which gave me a lot of time to build a lot of bad habits and affected things well beyond poker. Before I knew I had ADD I flunked several college classes and never got a degree, even though I had a 99th percentile IQ. (I didn't know that for a while either.) You might be shocked at all the ways that not knowing that I had ADD messed up my life, including going to jail more than once, for example, getting a cop to sign my fix-it ticket but not bringing the ticket to city hall. Next stop, jail, because I didn't know that my license was invalidated.

My life after age 40 has been all about fighting that battle every day, first putting aside the bad habits, now building good ones. None of that had anything to do with poker. I do a lot more than just take a pill. I know now that I need to get rid of any possible distractions. When I study poker or play online, I do it in my office. With the door shut. Wearing earplugs.

When I take my medication I'm not trying to get an edge. I take the same eight-hour pill every day whether I'm playing poker or not. It's not about an advantage, it's like a diabetic taking insulin. I get to live a normal life.

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01-18-2018 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Poker Clif
I do not use my ADD meds as an advantage. I'm not sure how you got that from what I said. In fact, one of my poker rules is Don't Play Tired. If I'm too tired to play a tournament I don't take a pill, I take a nap. I often take naps before tournaments.

When I was diagnosed with ADD my doctor put me on a medication. It had nothing to do with poker. I wasn't diagnosed until age 40, which gave me a lot of time to build a lot of bad habits and affected things well beyond poker. Before I knew I had ADD I flunked several college classes and never got a degree, even though I had a 99th percentile IQ. (I didn't know that for a while either.) You might be shocked at all the ways that not knowing that I had ADD messed up my life, including going to jail more than once, for example, getting a cop to sign my fix-it ticket but not bringing the ticket to city hall. Next stop, jail, because I didn't know that my license was invalidated.

My life after age 40 has been all about fighting that battle every day, first putting aside the bad habits, now building good ones. None of that had anything to do with poker. I do a lot more than just take a pill. I know now that I need to get rid of any possible distractions. When I study poker or play online, I do it in my office. With the door shut. Wearing earplugs.

When I take my medication I'm not trying to get an edge. I take the same eight-hour pill every day whether I'm playing poker or not. It's not about an advantage, it's like a diabetic taking insulin. I get to live a normal life.

I know what its like because I was also diagnosed with the same thing. I used to take it a lot in school but it makes me very paranoid and angry when I come down. I do much better in Poker and gambling when I'm on it.
01-18-2018 , 01:16 PM
Why don't the mods ever clean up this thread so it can actually be about tournaments on WPN, ffs.

Can we get some sats for the $320 tonight?
01-18-2018 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by FreshThyme
Why don't the mods ever clean up this thread so it can actually be about tournaments on WPN, ffs.

Can we get some sats for the $320 tonight?
lol because they arent as OCD as you are..

Can we get some $3,300s tonight?

      
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