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04-27-2015 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by trade2win

As far as payout goes again I think you guys are taking the wrong approach. You should start at the high buyins and work your way down. Most low limit players are happy with the flatter payout structures you have in place now. Its the $50+ tourney players that would like to see a more top heavy approach. I'm afraid by starting at the bottom your going to get the wrong reaction, when in fact the majority of non small buyin players would prefer the top heavy approach.
I agree with this 222% well said
04-27-2015 , 09:06 PM
is the cage 500$ happening this wednesdaY? not schedule
04-27-2015 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
Well clearly you think that i should be replaced.

This is my point. For a very long time players have been saying they want 2 hour LR and 10 minute blinds. I add these and they barely at best make guarantees. How can i implement this structure for a lets say BIG10 without reducing guarantee just to get crushed on a daily basis?

On a personal level i would love every tournament to be max 2 HR LR without re entries. Unfortunately you have to sit on this side of the table to understand that we are no where near big enough to do that.

We are building, growing and these things take time.

In response do daily progressive tournaments. I did put that idea forward when we first thought of the Sunday special. Its an idea i like but it just wouldnt have the same impact as the Sunday special.
I think you should make the big 10 long LR but you also need daily mtts after 6pm and 7pm eastern time with short reg.. You got to have tons of small buyin so bad player can play too. If you make them play only a couple a day they go big and broke. I say crazy things sometime obviously but the mtt schedule is not the greatest for what ever reason. It is just easier to blame the TD. I do talk tons of crap about WPN and need to stop sorry it not helping anything.
04-28-2015 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
Ok starting Monday these are the changes i have made -

12pm - $250 gtd - $3 + 0.30 change to $500 GTD


5.15pm – 5k GTD 100+9 move to 9.45pm


Replace at 5.15pm with a $5 + 0.50 - $500 GTD regular 2 HR LR


$4000 GTD @ 8.45pm – change to $4000 GTD – $40+4 – 6 max , 2 HR LR 12 min blinds –


BIG10 $1000 GTD @ 9pm – make it $1500 GTD


$1000 GTD PLO @ 9pm – Make it 6 max


BIG10 $500 GTD @ 11pm – make it $1000 GTD


BIG10 $300 GTD @ 12am – make it $500 GTD


Thoughts/comments welcome!
OK, just a couple of thoughts:

I understand that these changes are made to attract US based players, but there's a whole bunch of euro based players that want to include WPN in their daily MTT schedule. With moving mid/high range MTT's this late, it's just not possible for them to enter.

There was always this huge gap between 66$ in 3pm and 55$ in 5pm. Now that you moved 109$ to 9.45pm it's even harder to consider playing early schedule.

I think that you can fill this gap with couple of mid/high range tourneys, maybe even early special in 4pm. Put those tourneys without guarantees to see how it goes for a week or two, then put a guarantee label on.
04-28-2015 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by trade2win
As far as payout goes again I think you guys are taking the wrong approach. You should start at the high buyins and work your way down. Most low limit players are happy with the flatter payout structures you have in place now. Its the $50+ tourney players that would like to see a more top heavy approach. I'm afraid by starting at the bottom your going to get the wrong reaction, when in fact the majority of non small buyin players would prefer the top heavy approach.
I'm not disagreeing with you about midstakes+ players generally preferring more top heavy prize structures. But I think a lot of low stakes players get annoyed when they cash for 1.5 ish buy ins in a 5 dollar tournament and don't even make 5 bucks.
04-28-2015 , 11:08 PM
I think the general attitude at the lower buy ins is "sweet I cashed" no matter how small the min cash is. Also I have no idea how they are judging if the payout structure change is successful, are they talking to players? Are they judging it by increased entries? I really don't know, we might just get the "data we have says this" answer which is frustrating because they seem to be applying the data incorrectly.
04-28-2015 , 11:09 PM
There is a solution and that's to simply roll it out across the board.
04-29-2015 , 12:04 AM
cage 500 going to run?
04-29-2015 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by trade2win
I think the general attitude at the lower buy ins is "sweet I cashed" no matter how small the min cash is. Also I have no idea how they are judging if the payout structure change is successful, are they talking to players? Are they judging it by increased entries? I really don't know, we might just get the "data we have says this" answer which is frustrating because they seem to be applying the data incorrectly.
I am a mirco stakes mtt player and I don't care for min cash. I'd rather the tourney pay only final table. Just saying
04-30-2015 , 05:11 AM
The problem with adding a 2hr late reg is nobody knows about it. Its not like imma look at every tournament to see if its a 2hr late reg. And lets face it not every casual player will know its a 2hr late reg.

If it is possible try to run a 2hr late reg series for a day but informing people through some kind of popup banner ahead of time to give people notice.
04-30-2015 , 09:22 AM
Didn't read all

But did see rep mention two hour late reg and they didn't fill

Did not know
What ones are they
Will play more if I had known

An add stating this would help
I think it is worth trying to advertise

It is a selling point imo

LMK,
04-30-2015 , 01:35 PM
the one thing that REALLY needs to be done to the MTT lobby is the color coding needs to make sense. i don't understand why regular MTTs would ever be black text, while all the regular MTTs are in that violet text or whatever. i often times have forgotten to reg that $109 $5k gtd (that is now at 9:45pm, but used to be at 5:15p) because i'd overlook it as all of the satellites are in black text.

just make sure ALL MTTs are in violet consistently, makes no sense to have multiple color codes in the MTT lobby if it isn't consistent.

edit: also orange should be used for satellites that actually reward seats in the targeted tournament. i.e. the $109 nightly to the million, the sunday $50 to the WSOP, etc. those should be orange and all satellites that are satellites to other satellites should be in black text (or whatever color you decide on).
05-02-2015 , 03:00 PM
tomorrow sunday 3may starting a 109$ 20k warm up at same time of the sunday special ? this would meet the GTD easily ..come on WTD one time
05-06-2015 , 05:31 PM
Ok - 2 things.

1) Sunday warm up @ 2pm ET - $100+9 - Starting at $25,000 GTD. (lets see how it goes, not progressive)

2) For all you that wanted the 6 max @ 8.45pm, maybe its because you wanted all the free money that comes along with it :-(.

Tonight will be the last night and tomorrow i will change it. I want to put in a $30+3 $1,000 GTD PLO8 - 6 max.
I will how ever leave it to you and if i like an idea i will try it. For a NLH start with guaranteeing for 50 players. As much as you think 6 max is popular, it is massively less popular than 9 max.
05-06-2015 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
Ok - 2 things.

1) Sunday warm up @ 2pm ET - $100+9 - Starting at $25,000 GTD. (lets see how it goes, not progressive)

2) For all you that wanted the 6 max @ 8.45pm, maybe its because you wanted all the free money that comes along with it :-(.

Tonight will be the last night and tomorrow i will change it. I want to put in a $30+3 $1,000 GTD PLO8 - 6 max.
I will how ever leave it to you and if i like an idea i will try it. For a NLH start with guaranteeing for 50 players. As much as you think 6 max is popular, it is massively less popular than 9 max.
Can You try and squeeze in some mid/high buyin tourney between 15.00 and 17.00? Maybe instead of 1200GTD in 16.00 that never runs?
05-06-2015 , 06:34 PM
i think the gap between the sunday special and the 100k gtd this coming sunday is too big. either move the ss later or bring the 100k gtd forward. otherwise u could add more tounies to play in between like what morbid said
05-07-2015 , 01:13 PM
the sunday warm up great , does it start this sunday 10may?
05-07-2015 , 01:24 PM
What do you think for now. Instead of the warm up.

109 megastack turbo starting same time as sunday special. 20k GTD
05-07-2015 , 02:16 PM
That would b good
05-07-2015 , 02:51 PM
I think the warm up with game structure as the sunday special is better, because the sunday special structure is great. But turbo is also fine.
05-07-2015 , 02:53 PM
Turbo is great but don't start it same time as special, start it an hour earlier.
05-07-2015 , 04:31 PM
IMO it shouldn't be a turbo if it's meant to be a warm up alongside the Sunday Special, maybe a later 109 turbo, like around 8pm?


One thing I'd like to see - if the GTDs keep getting hit in the slow period maybe they can be moved back up again (as for certain tournaments like how the 10K was 12.5k but had to change due to overlays.) And maybe with the Special hitting 110K we can think of moving the 50k GTD to 100k, or even just 80k?

Last edited by Boney526; 05-07-2015 at 04:32 PM. Reason: These stakes aren't my regular game, so just a couple suggestions from a non reg in those games.
05-07-2015 , 05:10 PM
the 50k has half the runners than the sunday special, I think 50k is fine , I suggested a 55$ rebuy with 15k gtd in the middle of the sunday bigs I think would be nice too
05-07-2015 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by flyingguru
the 50k has half the runners than the sunday special, I think 50k is fine , I suggested a 55$ rebuy with 15k gtd in the middle of the sunday bigs I think would be nice too
+1

But IMO Sundays are not your problem. Traffic on Sunday is good, lots of new names joining in and putting WPN in their Sunday schedule. It can only grow with schedule as it is now. Real issue is how to maintain that trend on workdays/saturdays. Try putting more mid/high NON GUARANTEED tourneys every hour starting 15.00PM server time to attract more Euro prime time players. That will fill the gaps between 15.00 and 19.00 tourneys.
05-07-2015 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
What do you think for now. Instead of the warm up.

109 megastack turbo starting same time as sunday special. 20k GTD
I love this idea

The schedule needs more turbos and this would go well with the sunday special

      
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