IMO lower the gtd's if need be, make them playable, profitable, enjoyable and they will grow and surpass current guarantees shortly. The only people that the current structures benefit are pro's wih very deep pockets and lots of time on their hands, again IMO. I think the niche market I referred to above would also prefer what most others including myself have been asking for for a over a year now.

Pros dont want longer late reg. Yes occasionally they can find profitable spots to rebuy where there's an overlay or it's very close to the bubble but they'd be the most affected by the shortstack rebuys handcuffing them when they have bigstacks.

I agree, I just meant that pros are the only part of the overall market that I see the current structure possibly benefiting over a large sample, and that's also even willing or able to put in a large sample probably.

And a big thankyou to winning_td for coming on here, listening to players and taking player opinion into consideration.

The beast is forced upon cash game players even though it's awful for recs and only good for a small percentage of the player base. The freebuy promotions (I think they need to be tweaked a little bit) are a fantastic way to promote MTTs to new players and were super profitable for everyone involved, especially decent regs.

Yeah I agree. rebuy stacks shut you down when you have a big stack and everyone else has 5K at a table

Well, i will admit. I kind of gave you a trick question and i guess its our fault that its not marketed well enough maybe.

Basically all the 2 hour late reg tournaments we have, have a mirrored blind structure to stars 10 min blind levels.

The best example i can give is the $5,000 GTD $100+9 at 5.15pm ET. Overlays pretty much daily and from what it seems, you guys are asking for this structure. As i said maybe its not advertised enough or players dont know about it but how can i warrant making tournaments this structure when its hard to get 50 buy ins?

in my opinion the 3h late reg is what makes this room different and unique.

we need more quality tournaments, Progressive KO like stated above seems a decent idea to.

I seen this weekend the 11rebuy or the 22$ for the HIgh roller didnt run ... sucked.

just more put more tournaments with good guarantees in the schedule to attract people

if that 109 5k is not good for WPN cut it , maybe maybe a plomaha daily? hu DAILY?

The only good idea was the 215 sunday addiing 5k everyweek to prize pool. was very good since it surpass the gtd everyweek

why not making a 215 on a weekday with same idea? a turbo one , or hypers with KO ?

need changes...something is better than nothing..

Your primary market is the US. Many of the tournaments that run during the week do not start at a time that is day job friendly for much of the US save for the east coast. This tourney in particular is not for even east coast players.

The best example I can give is one I used to play back when I first came over to WPN from merge, the nightly $27.50 12.5K gtd. This tourney started at 8pm ET was sticking the gtd iirc, to the point that for a while it ran as 15K gtd on the weekends. Not coincidentally imo 8pm ET is a great start time for most of the working US, which is the large majority of your rec players. Even left coasters can get in this reasonably early on late reg after their drudge home on the 5. Then you guys made the decision to move it to 6pm ET... overnight you couldn't make the 15K gtd, 12.5K gtd, 12Kgtd, 10K gtd with an increased $30 buy in. Why? You just shut out half your market who works during the day and plays poker at night. 3 hour late reg doesn't make up for that as a lot of people don't actually like buying in with 10 bb's. It's going to be hard to make a $109 daily that gets a big turn out at 5:15 ET in this market. The structure isn't what's keeping people away imo... in many cases it's their day job doing so.

Cut it, start it later so the working Joe can play, or get creative with the gtd money. Make it a 2K progressive gtd like the Sunday Special. Or, how much are you eating now on the overlay? 1K? 2k? Change it to 2K gtd + $500 ADDED and call it an early bird special. You'll cover the gtd and draw attention for adding free money (which is less than you're eating now in overlays), and grow the field size. Even if you only add $200 or something... poker players like free $$, and you only need to beat the gtd by 23 players to cover an added $200 completely via the $9 fee.

I think we are with you on the concerns about the gtd Winning_TD... players like overlays but we also understand that while the 1 off overlay isn't a huge deal for you, if the site is overlaying everything that's a huge problem long term, you guys got to make money here too. Some more structure variety, a redesign of the schedule that bears your market in mind a bit more succinctly and some creativity with the gtds and offerings could be a nice shot in the arm.

At this point, I don't think that WPN can lower the late registration time without either eating a lot of overlay (something they don't want) or lower the guarantee (something neither the site or the players want). I do think a shorter late reg for almost all mtts would be best.

What about the idea have having more progressive mtts with the 90-120 minute late registration during peak hours? It would mean lower guarantees at first but also allows for them to aggressively grow.

I don't play tournaments so I really don't know what everyone is talking about in regards to the schedule. But why not just add a lot more non-guarantee tournaments? That would free the site to offer whatever tournaments players wanted, like freezeouts and short registrations. WPN's tournaments seem extremely guarantee heavy.

Bovada has a $75+7 Thousandaire Maker tournament that I've played a few times in the past and enjoyed. It's basically a satellite that pays $1k cash to the players so if 5.5k was in the prize pool then Top 5 people get $1k and 6th would get the remainder $500.

Any chance WPN can add a tournament like that?

I think advertising could be a lot better. Give some of the higher gtd tournaments a silly name and send emails to players about them. The 20k gtd $11 tournament you ran last monday (looks like its not happening again) was a fantastic tournament, The 5hr late reg wasnt ideal but I understand it was neccesary. The only problem was that players didnt know about it and it started 3pm ish on a monday. Not exactly prime time for players.

We need a decent size nightly 6 max pleaseee

Ok so if i can change the $4k GTD Hyper turbo megastack at 8.45pm to a 6 max.

I was intending to change this anyway so now seems like a good spot. What would you want to see and structure?

5k starting with a dece structure (12-15 mins)

I dont like the hyper megastack format. The early levels are so silly. I do like the stars hyper format though.

I also think you need to find the sweet spot for the buy in that will attract players from various bankroll sizes. Something like between 33 and 66 imo..

While Im all for it. I just think the 88 bi wont attract many players

I also think that $25 PLO at 9 pm ET would run more and be a much better tourney if it were 6 max as well..

This is a terrible idea. Creating a whole bunch of tournaments would only divide player pools further and make any situation you are trying to solve, worse.

Then replace some of the guarantees with freezeouts. I think that there are a lot of cash game players like myself that won't play tournaments these days because of the large time expenditure required. I used to regularly play tournaments on PokerStars but these days with the long late registrations and all the rebuys, I don't even consider them. I think that the guarantees may be guaranteeing a smaller tournie player pool.

Now with what looks like might be pretty much the end of sitngos on WPN, it may be that I'm going to be down to strictly playing cash games on this network.

Ok starting Monday these are the changes i have made -

12pm - $250 gtd - $3 + 0.30 change to $500 GTD


5.15pm – 5k GTD 100+9 move to 9.45pm


Replace at 5.15pm with a $5 + 0.50 - $500 GTD regular 2 HR LR


$4000 GTD @ 8.45pm – change to $4000 GTD – $40+4 – 6 max , 2 HR LR 12 min blinds –


BIG10 $1000 GTD @ 9pm – make it $1500 GTD


$1000 GTD PLO @ 9pm – Make it 6 max


BIG10 $500 GTD @ 11pm – make it $1000 GTD


BIG10 $300 GTD @ 12am – make it $500 GTD


Thoughts/comments welcome!

The biggest issue some have is 3 hours of late reg on tournaments starting after 9pm or 10pm EST. Unless they are insomniacs like I can be at times many people want to go to sleep so 3 hours is way too long in these late late ones imo.

I know it may cater to some but the last thing many people want to do is grind out a measly $500 GTD tournament for a long time several hours past midnight so having a couple more turbos like between 1 to 3 am when you have nothing scheduled wouldn't be a bad idea to test out.

With the two big 10's at 11 and 12.. That is just going by previous results.

I am happy to test turbos at those times. Would have to think alot more about buy in's and guarantees. If there is something in particular you think everyone would love, share and i will try it. I would say that having them megastacked would probably prove to be more popular.

Can we get a daily KO tourney, whether 6max, 8max or FR with a buyin 33-109??