no

Depends

No it really doesn't I want to get called after i reraise and see q10 all day long.

Since when is 5% rake total insanity? I would say that the $12+0.25 is probably overgenerous compared to the industry standard.

Check the pot odds you are giving for a call. My guess is that they are pretty good. Once ITM, its time to go for 1'st place so if you are laying good pot odds and a villain thinks they have 38%-40% or better equity they are going to call.

zero.

ok so say i am hu or 3 handed vs a loose agg reg i raise, they shove because i gave them a little over 2 to1 or close give or take and i have 8 to 10 bb itm what do u think call or fold? I won't be making this play with nothing.

ugh ChipEv dont equal ICMev ITM

Darn it, who told Slicky about Q10 being the magical SNG hand? Now he will crush us all.

Enjoy the RunGood Slicky.

have a noob question...for the SNC seats given out (7 seats to the milly satty) how do they go about this, do they automatically reg you for the satty or do they give you a ticket?

You automatically get registered in

Truth is none of us have nothing cause we all have two cards.

It might sound generic but the answer all depends.

Strategy isn't something I'm going to discuss in this thread but all I will say is try to consider each situation, your opponent's tendencies, and how they might perceive you. Pay very close attention and think about all the variables.

In games of big variance due to quick structure like hyper turbos with very small edges the few percent in rake actually plays a huge role someones ROI. It might only seem like pennies but over thousands of games it's massive.

I just won't play these 3 man hypers because of this but that isn't saying a whole lot of other people will avoid them.

I agree with you. I can't speak for HU but for 3max a 5% rake is just too much. I play a lot of 6max; for a 6max 5% would be OK. But in 3max, players are practically playing with random cards in order to keep from getting blinded down. It might not be unbeatable but I think that the 3max games are pushing the envelope of what might be considered a healthy poker game. This is by no means solely a WPN problem though.

True. Did you think I don't know that? What is your point? Lets say something more specific. If I am getting 2:1 on a call with QT and think I have 40% equity, do I not overcome the ICM tax between 33% and 40%? The even stacked ICM tax is pretty low three handed.

u said we are ITM, it's time to play for the win and that's not true, we are playing to maximize expectation

Most of the S&G seem to be raked very high for the format (and lack of fish)

Without the extra leader board money, most all of the S&G(above $5), with the current rakes and current player pools look like they would be near unbeatable for all but the best of the best.

i guess that leaves u with one option....do u know what it is?

Which typically maximizes expectation in a standard format game. The prize jump of 10% to 2nd place but 20% from 2nd to first reduces the ICM tax significantly post bubble and makes chip accumulation with thin edges a priority.

Your post implied that the ICM tax is >7% which in most cases is simply not true three handed. Therefore looking at pot odds and adding a few percent for ICM tax is a perfectly valid way of approaching the QT question. (which in the scenario I presented does maximize expectation). However you are free to prove me wrong?

I wish happy hour ran on weekends. I know i'd make it a point to play more then.

this is still a very DoN-centric promo. $50 turbo dons award 8 pts each and run fairly often. They don't take long to play out. Traffic in $20 and $30 9mans is picking up but that might not last if the ppl game starting them don't have a chance at the larger payouts without playing $50 dons.

My suggestion is to bring the $50 non don sngs up to the same multiplier the $30s have. And to exclude all DoNs from the happy hour bonus.

$30 DON gets you 5.2 points and a $30 regular speed 9 man gets you 15 points. Both are doubled during happy hours. If you get in 4 to 8 reg speed 6 or 9 max games and even some turbo non-DONs during happy hours at $20+ you can easily beat out DON only players.

Every game gets double the points during happy hours and if you are to tell me $30 reg speed sngs will get 30 points while $30 reg DONs only get 5.2 during HH I'm sorry but that is LOL.

For someone who plays both they will be able to take advantage of the promo currently as it is even better then DON only or non-DON players especially if they can play during at least half of the happy hours.

After seeing the promo play out for a few weeks if anything it has greatly benefited non-DON players the most but overall has seemed fair to me.

I've enjoyed playing all the games now that I'm not taking as many bad beats and coolers in the 9 mans like I did the first week.

As for the multiplier being the same for $50 games they could do it and probably should.

Alright, i'll concede that DoNs should be in happy hour too. That was more of an aside to throw a bone to 9mans so they can gain traction on the site. Forget I mentioned it. That's not the optimal solution.

Back to the main issue though.

reg speed 9m sngs can take up to 1 hr and 30 mins to finish. turbo dons maybe 35 mins. so for the $30 level the ratio of points seems pretty spot on to me. (15 pts to 4.7) Aside from the issue of it being more difficult to fill a 9man reg than a 6man don.

The problem as a 9man grinder trying to compete in this promo is that a bunch of $50 turbo dons run (as well as a few $80 and $100) and there is no equivalent way to earn those kind of pts/hr in 9mans. Obviously someone going for top 2 has to play all games no matter what. I'm talking about being more fair to the people just underneath that level of grind.

Instead of raising the points for $50+ non dons you could lower the pts for $50+ DoNs to match $50+ 9mans.

This allows lower stakes players to have more of a chance at the leaderboard. It also sets up a choice of "sweet spot" sngs as either $30 non don or $30 turbo don. As it is now the sweet spot is as high of stakes turbo don as you can get to run.

In conclusion, please lower $50+ DoN pts and make the DoN grinders work equally hard for their pts as non don grinders must.

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ya, i hate DONs but the promo seems pretty fair. i mean if thats all that runs is DONs (CONs) what can ya do. thats how it has always been at WPN. i am glad to see some traffic elsewhere though but the majority is still weighted toward DONs especially above the $30 level as dboy mentioned I O E N O

my post did not imply anything about a set percentage of equity. i never mentioned any kind of detail other than countered what u said, u stated we are itm, play for the win, i said thats not true. there is still an icm tax, we do not play for the win, we play to maximize expectation. but u can prove me wrong?

this promo seems to be backfiring:

I wanted to play some S&G tonight, and currently it's tues night 7:30, et and it's hard to start any game, don or otherwise above ($5)

and overall, there seems to be less total games running than before the promo on a tues night. Hopefully today is just an off day b/c there was a lot running last night