agreed

Will the software be totally the new points for the games immediately at midnight on Friday turning to Saturday or will it need a nightly reset?

Meh, you wouldn't be able to rely on any answer anyways to be honest. during changes there are bugs so even if they plan to implement the changes for midnight there might be problems for point calculating. I plan to play when the week starts and see how it reports the points but I'm not going to worry if they're off. I'll try and start at 12:00AM and let you guys know if I think the points are being contributed properly.

DONs are the lowest variance form of SNGs, and the easiest to multi-table because they can be played following a somewhat mechanical strategy.

If a player could at least break even in the DONs, and grind enough to cash in Sit and Crush, he pretending to be she could profit. I understand why someone who has been doing that won't like these changes.

That doesn't mean that WPN shouldn't do this promo, or that they shouldn't advertise it or talk it up.

A healthy site has a wide variety of games running over a broad swath of the day, so that there is something for everyone. I usually play off-peak hours, so I'll be glad to have a choice that isn't a DON.

There's nothing to dislike about adding money to the promo. Although I'd rather see something to lure low volume rec players. The full house of the week is sevens full of twos. Get a sevens full of twos full house, win ten times your SNG buy-in instantly!

Bring me the fish, I'll make my own dinner.

Also, thanks for the lobby update fix. One annoyance fixed, 999 to go. But better one fixed than none.

All of that, especially this...


and some extra love for this...

Great changes.

Bottom line: S&C was intended to initially be a boost to SNG traffic and all it did was promote DoN's. Re balancing the points will create a healthy mix of games which is good for everyone because games will run, and fish will find the games running. Healthy traffic will increase.

DoN's may feel they are getting no love with this but with the extra $$ added to the leader board, I have a hard time believing that any of the dedicated DON grinders will be making less than before without the changes. But this situation is only a situation because the new structure fixes a deficiency in the old points structure. Its really correcting a lingering mistake based on the time to complete different tournament structures, and how they are rewarded in the leaderboard.

There is also a 90 day expiration on this promo. If it doesn't work then we get DoN heaven back. If it does work then we get much more traffic, and the kind of US facing site we really need to have healthy games back in the US. I think it will work. I think everyone, even DON players should support this.

In essence this promo really does benefit everyone. Some more directly than others, but in 90 days, it is my sincere hope that everyone will view this as a win. (even the HUSNG guys, since better SNG traffic might convince some people to spend the resources necessary to get a separate HUSNG leaderboard going).

Best Regards,
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so are husng included during happy hours?

Heads up Sit & Go's don’t qualify for the Sit&Crush promotion, which is the only thing Happy Hours are used for.

That is without a doubt the best idea for a promo on here I've heard.

You are absolutely right they need promo's to attract fish not regs. This is only going to attract reg SNG grinders because the low volume fish will have no chance at the leaderboard.

That is not exactly correct. Right now there is enough traffic for don grinders to put in ok volume. With the "re-balancing" of points as you call it their will likely not be anywhere near enough traffic for don grinders to put in volume. But here is the catch; although regular sng's will see an increase over the near zero volume they have now it still will not be enough for them to put in ok volume either. The fish aren't going to see a dime out of this. Fish are not going to be attracted to the site for this. The only benefit will be to the regs who want to grind both don's and regular sng's.

Yeah, but the leaderboard structure already pays out so many spots so the low volume recreational player who might be a fish has a chance to earn something too.

New fish come around from advertising and work of mouth about ACR/BCP/WPN. You have to get them to the network first and all promos help that.

I don't think any player who plans on playing 2 hours a night expects to win the leaderboard but if they knew they had a chance to make some money from it playing a few tables at once for those few hours a day they have free then that may draw them in. Some might deposit just on that alone or be dreaming they can get to the top one day never realizing the A4o they call 3bets with that continues to lose to AK wasn't them being unlucky.

This assumption is based on a fixed player pool only.

My assumption is that there are a lot of guys who are grinding other sites that will be showing up in about 24hrs. I know this to be true on the small scale of people I talk to.

If you follow the news with what is going on with other US facing rooms (and some non-us facing ones as well) I expect there is a large pool of players looking for a good new home due to current events, that will catch wind of this and add to the pool.

Again though, its a 90 day promo so its possible I am wrong. If I am then everything reverts back. If I am right, then the site gets much much better in a very short period of time.

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Do these extra points go toward the millionares club promo also or is that based on rake?

Ultimately the S&C is a super +EV situation for everyone specifically because there is no additional cost to the promo. WPN is already giving up a % of the rake to make it happen and adding $$ on top of that.

The above idea is a good idea and is something worth looking into as well but you have to look at the downsides. But this is likely going to come in the form of an additional rake added to build the BBJ. Would you pay more in rake to have this promo happen?

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Nothing in the SNG promotion impacts The Millionaires Club.

That's true. The timing of this promotion is very good.

There will probably be a few less DONs running but as someone else noted, those DONs might be a little fishier since the promo might draw off some of the regs.

Then we both agree that there is nothing to dislike about that. Yay free money! But that doesn't mean that those promotional funds are being used in the most effective manner.

"Full house of the week" was a totally off the cuff idea, though I'm glad to see it getting love ITT. It's not quite a BBJ, although it is along those lines. The prizes would be smaller and more frequently rewarded / more attainable.

I wouldn't really suggest starting with 7's full of 2's, because that's just luring recs to a quick and ugly depletion of their deposit. If it's too quick and ugly they will find a new hobby.

And I don't know if 10x the SNG buy in is the right prize. It depends on what funds are available and how often a given full house hits.

How did a rake hike become the source of the funds? My point was that I'd rather have seen the money from heaven that is the Sit and Crush funds devoted to something that attracts players who know they have zero chance of grinding their way onto a volume leaderboard.

The more volume a player puts in, the more likely that player is to win "Full House of The Week". But everyone has some chance. So, something for everyone while still rewarding high volume. Promotional materials could remind players that there is no limit to the number of times they can win, and the more often they play the more often they can win.

I won't claim to know whether the best business decision for WPN is to attract more recs, or to directly attract and motivate more grinders.

I know which kind of player I'd like to see more often. But aside from my self-interest, my guess is that attracting more rec players helps everyone:

1. Rec players come for the prizes.
2. Rec players stay because the games are not seven grinders and two recs anymore, and there is a good variety of games going.
3. Rec players tell other rec players.
4. Grinders come because of the softer games, the ability to put in volume, and the chance at prizes.

I sincerely hope the current Sit and Crush promo leads to long-term improvements in the WPN ecosystem. We all want the site to grow.

But if it doesn't, then hopefully the next bundle of promo funds will be used differently.

I feel compelled to say that WPN should get an A for effort here at the very least.

I don't understand all the negativity- the promo hasn't even started yet. Just chill out and see what happens first before being so negative -

Damn, this is as positive as I get. If it's still negative, I just don't know what to do.

Really not trying to be negative. Trying to say hey, this is great, though I think something else would be even better. I applaud the effort too.

I just meant the general tone in a lot of this thread, not trying to say anything about anyone specific (like you).

It's like 'ok here is some free money every week' and then all these responses like wait, we don't like this and we think that is need to be changed and we are afraid it will make this happen, and that happen and blah blah blah

It's just that people seem to be nit picking and complaining lot for something that hasn't even happened yet

I didn't think you were being negative, and I hope you don't take my comments as negative either.

I think anything we can do to get rec players in the door is a good idea.

Its hard to say where WPN will find equilibrium. The hope would be that because grinders are likely to spread the word faster and get the games going faster, the games will go, and then there will be a resulting but more gradual shift to equilibrium as rec players slowly filter into the games which are now running. I don't know if a full house jackpot (as you proposed) would have the same level of immediate affect but do feel it would have a good affect over time.

I am also pleased to see that the community at large is supportive of this promo. I know for a fact that WPN is trying hard to build their network and implements things like this because they want the business to succeed and grow. Adding to the leader board costs money, but that is money they are investing in a successful promotion.

I think the more positive this event is, the more likely future events and further changes to the network will be implemented based on feedback from the community, which is a win win.

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I think that a tiered leaderboard would be best. But for now, it is what it is.

Do they have these new happy hours already kicking in? I'm not getting the double points and thought I still would for today from 4-7pm EST?

Notice that the promo is limited to $30 or less. (hint hint) If the volume really ramps up I think that would be best too, but right now the chance of games loading above $30 don't justify it. However, if they do start loading above $30 at least they won't be blowing away the leader board immediately.

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