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SNG Collusion? SNG Collusion?

10-25-2013 , 07:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DetRiver
If you want to out a few more colluders check out tongle, riverrat888, and Goldenpig. These guys are habitual colluders in the $20 and $30 DON sngs, I have a long list of hands that are exactly like sandmans. They dump to the short stack over and over again to increase chance of both cashing, its getting old.

I encourage players to report to security if similar hands are seen, it will take the community to out them.

As much as I(we) appreciate this:

1. You should always post hands if you are going to point fingers.

2. Why can't you report them to WPN? Why are you "encouraging" others?
10-25-2013 , 07:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman_Good
As much as I(we) appreciate this:

1. You should always post hands if you are going to point fingers.

2. Why can't you report them to WPN? Why are you "encouraging" others?
I have reported them several times unfortunately most of the time support cant be 100% conclusive. So I encourage others to out colluders if they see fishy hands, because multiple reports will increase chance of something being done.
Ill post hands also.
10-25-2013 , 07:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman_Good
As much as I(we) appreciate this:

1. You should always post hands if you are going to point fingers.

2. Why can't you report them to WPN? Why are you "encouraging" others?
Here's Two for Goldenpig and tongle

Game started at: 2013/10/22 23:22:12
Game ID: 211846778 100/200 $10 Double or Nothing Turbo - 6 Players, Table 1 (Hold'em)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: DetRiver (1633).
Seat 2: Knucks1 (1148).
Seat 3: Goldenpig (891).
Seat 4: tongle (2459).
Seat 6: l5822l (2869).
Player DetRiver has small blind (100)
Player Knucks1 has big blind (200)
Player DetRiver received card: [8s]
Player DetRiver received card: [6d]
Player Knucks1 received a card.
Player Knucks1 received a card.
Player Goldenpig received a card.
Player Goldenpig received a card.
Player tongle received a card.
Player tongle received a card.
Player l5822l received a card.
Player l5822l received a card.
Player Goldenpig raises (400)
Player tongle raises (600)
Player l5822l folds
Player DetRiver folds
Player Knucks1 folds
Player Goldenpig calls (200)
*** FLOP ***: [5d 2h 4c]
Player Goldenpig checks
Player tongle checks
*** TURN ***: [5d 2h 4c] [9d]
Player Goldenpig checks
Player tongle checks
*** RIVER ***: [5d 2h 4c 9d] [2s]
Player Goldenpig allin (291)
Player tongle folds
Uncalled bet (291) returned to Goldenpig
Player Goldenpig mucks cards
------ Summary ------
Pot: 1500. Rake 0
Board: [5d 2h 4c 9d 2s]
Player DetRiver does not show cards.Bets: 100. Collects: 0. Loses: 100.
Player Knucks1 does not show cards.Bets: 200. Collects: 0. Loses: 200.
*Player Goldenpig mucks (does not show cards). Bets: 600. Collects: 1500. Wins: 900.
Player tongle does not show cards.Bets: 600. Collects: 0. Loses: 600.
Player l5822l does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Game ended at: 2013/10/22 23:23:18

Game started at: 2013/10/22 23:16:23
Game ID: 211845284 75/150 $10 Double or Nothing Turbo - 6 Players, Table 1 (Hold'em)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: DetRiver (2133).
Seat 2: Knucks1 (2523).
Seat 3: Goldenpig (416).
Seat 4: tongle (1959).
Seat 6: l5822l (1969).
Player Knucks1 has small blind (75)
Player Goldenpig has big blind (150)
Player Knucks1 received a card.
Player Knucks1 received a card.
Player Goldenpig received a card.
Player Goldenpig received a card.
Player tongle received a card.
Player tongle received a card.
Player l5822l received a card.
Player l5822l received a card.
Player DetRiver received card: [Qh]
Player DetRiver received card: [7d]
Player tongle raises (300)
Player l5822l folds
Player DetRiver folds
Player Knucks1 folds
Player Goldenpig calls (150)
*** FLOP ***: [8d 8h 6d]
Player Goldenpig checks
Player tongle checks
*** TURN ***: [8d 8h 6d] [Ah]
Player Goldenpig checks
Player tongle checks
*** RIVER ***: [8d 8h 6d Ah] [5h]
Player Goldenpig allin (116)
Player tongle folds
Uncalled bet (116) returned to Goldenpig
Player Goldenpig mucks cards
------ Summary ------
Pot: 675. Rake 0
Board: [8d 8h 6d Ah 5h]
Player DetRiver does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Player Knucks1 does not show cards.Bets: 75. Collects: 0. Loses: 75.
*Player Goldenpig mucks (does not show cards). Bets: 300. Collects: 675. Wins: 375.
Player tongle does not show cards.Bets: 300. Collects: 0. Loses: 300.
Player l5822l does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Game ended at: 2013/10/22 23:17:14

There are several more but dont want to fill the discussion with hh's. Also will pull up the tongle and riverrat888 hands.
10-25-2013 , 08:31 PM
^^^^ lmao these guys just dont care do they??? i almost want to cry seeing this, they make it this obvious and continue to play every day???? FTP and stars would have been all over this within a matter of 24 hours guaranteed
10-25-2013 , 08:36 PM
USA POKER #1!!!!

but yeah, these guys are only seen sitting with at least 2 of the 3 names in games together, never only one SN sitting alone.
10-25-2013 , 09:12 PM
This is just ridicules, I by no means condone cheating. You would think that they would at least try to cheat better (or with more stealth I should say.) I'm sure WPN will reimburse you for this. This is actually funny though. How bad they are at cheating.
10-25-2013 , 10:36 PM
Wow Det...thank you for posting those.

I hope you continue to turn these hands in. I will talk to someone I know about it as well.

Nothing tilts me more than this.

These two guys probably walk in...rob the bank and drop their drivers license on the way out they are so obvious.

If I see them at any of my tables, i will def turn hands in.

Also..you can post as many HHs in ITT as you like. If we need to get security or WPN management in here to see that we know what they know..they might be more apt to push further.
10-25-2013 , 11:32 PM
how does WPN expect anyone that sees this thread to play there? if they're not catching this i dont even want to think about how many other players are doing this in a more sophisticated manner. one day.....one day, we shall see brighter days
10-30-2013 , 06:45 PM
Definitely cheating. I dont play don sngs anymore cause of stuff like that. Wpn doesnt seem to do anything. I play heads up cash now and they are allowing shustrila13 the last 3 days to sit more then 1 table heads up. Your onlu supposed to sit 1 table per limit in heads up. To me thats cheating she or he is breaking the rules getting more action while rest of us are sitting 1 table and this player has done it for 3 days now without any action taken by wpn. Now me and 2 other regs are sitting out until this player is either removed or stopped from doing this. So now that player is sitting by themselves right now on 3 tables at heads up and its being allowed. I don't know how wpn takes action against these players, but seems like they lag about it like its not a big deal. They told me if i sit more then 1 table they will take action against me. I said they are doing it why can't the rest of us drop the rule. So I am not even playing now and just fed up with there security with taking care of stuff like this
10-30-2013 , 06:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman_Good
Wow Det...thank you for posting those.

I hope you continue to turn these hands in. I will talk to someone I know about it as well.

Nothing tilts me more than this.

These two guys probably walk in...rob the bank and drop their drivers license on the way out they are so obvious.

If I see them at any of my tables, i will def turn hands in.

Also..you can post as many HHs in ITT as you like. If we need to get security or WPN management in here to see that we know what they know..they might be more apt to push further.
We have no idea if these are even real players or like absolute poker scam people working their making money for the site. If they are not removed and this stuff continues the creditibility of these companies will go down as they have been over the last 3 years. Online poker traffic is getting smaller. I seen several players complain about cheating with online poker and the problem is the sites don't do much about it or don't take action in a timely manner. Security for online poker needs to be a lot stronger period. You see that ultimate poker in nevada? Just for a software update its run through a lab with tests run to make sure the integrity of the software holds strong. Hopefully this will be implemented to all the sites one day and that is what will bring online poker back again once players can trust its legit software and real players and the cheating at a minimum.
10-30-2013 , 07:06 PM
Sorry to say DoN's = 100% collusion. It's ****ed because they're easy to grind and fish seem to love them, but with the rampart collusion and cheating they're really not worth grinding. If collusion wasn't so rampart in them and they didn't need to consistently policed PS would not of got rid of them.

      
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