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Sit and Crush - Ideas/Tweaks/Etc. Thread Sit and Crush - Ideas/Tweaks/Etc. Thread

12-10-2013 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TheTenderVigilante
easiest solution:

DONs = 0 points
Do you have a brain?

12-10-2013 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Indefatigable.
Dons were getting most of the sng volume before the promo even existed. Making dons = 0 points would just be criminal.
right. the stated reason why HU SNGs weren't added to the leaderboard were because they get enough traffic that they don't need to incentivize people to play them. if the OD traffic has demonstrated anything it's that players will go to where there's the most EV in going with regards to the promotion. if DONs already had enough traffic and 6m/9m didn't then creating a promotion that makes DONs the most profitable sng to play is completely counter productive
12-10-2013 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by tK Bruce
Do you have a brain?

i mean i'm perfectly fine with the status quo. if no changes are made i'll still go up the leaderboard the way i'm doing it now. but i'm also aware that the pool has gone up only 8k since the 1st at least partially due to the fact that the only games that go off with regularity are slow ass ODs (which don't generate nearly fast enough) and 6m DONs. plenty of people have made the decision they don't want to partake in this because they don't want to play DONs and i don't blame them. if the goal of this promotion is to grow sng liquidity then the current model isn't working
12-10-2013 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TheTenderVigilante
i mean i'm perfectly fine with the status quo. if no changes are made i'll still go up the leaderboard the way i'm doing it now. but i'm also aware that the pool has gone up only 8k since the 1st at least partially due to the fact that the only games that go off with regularity are slow ass ODs (which don't generate nearly fast enough) and 6m DONs. plenty of people have made the decision they don't want to partake in this because they don't want to play DONs and i don't blame them. if the goal of this promotion is to grow sng liquidity then the current model isn't working
I kinda like playing the DONs I can't grind a few of them while watching tv and stuff...I work a full time job and still am looking to limp into the bottom of the leaderboard while making a profit at these sngs. Which makes this better then the beast by far since I was a losing player because of the extra rake.
12-10-2013 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by zerosum79

But - The one problem I see with this is that it would make the prizes lower for each tier including the top. What breakdown of the pool would you suggest for high, mid and low? like 60/30/10?

Best,
zero
yeah something like that sounds good as far as breakdown goes. Though maybe it would be for the initial contest starting amount and then the actual rake fees would fuel the rest of the sub-prizepools, accordingly.
12-11-2013 , 12:41 AM
the amount of push for further dilution of anything is irrational. if anything there needs to be a culling/consolidation just to demonstrate that this is worth playing to drive up traffic then proceed from there to add new features

everything WPN has done to this point has ultimately amounted to putting the cart before the horse. THAT is the first change that needs to be made before anything else can be expected to succeed
12-11-2013 , 01:14 AM
to expand:

the prize pool goes up incrementally for each sng played. the payouts increase marginally despite the prize pool u boasted from the outset. despite this you oversaturate with tournament satellite entries as prizes that nobody wants (i cite as evidence the staggering number of people who sit out of those things) that do nothing but completely sponge money from the pool. for whatever reason $7,645 is currently being wasted in these tourney entries that prevents you from boasting "sexier" payouts which is a clear goal of this promotion given how topheavy the payouts are

your overemphasis of ondemand sngs do nothing but again stunt the growth of the prize pool. a $10 on demand sng generates $2.25 for the prize pool for every 9 players. a $10 turbo 9 max generates $2.07 for the prize pool for every 9 players. ODs regenerate 20 minutes after the next one starts which means the absolute best case scenario is that 72 of these 2 hour sngs will run every day. of course because the traffic isn't there to instantaneously shoot these out, the number of these during peak hours isn't 3 per hour and during dead hours they don't run at all.

because you didn't start out with enough traffic to give liquidity to the sngs and because the new traffic is going to flock to whatever makes them most competitive in the sng beast you can pick 1 of these 2 to run regularly while the other will be barren. not only did you choose the one that essentially stunts the growth of the prize pool with how little it adds to it over the course of a day but you've put restrictions on it where it runs so damn infrequently where you can't win anything in this pool without playing them but they'll add jack **** to the prize pool when u play them
12-11-2013 , 05:07 AM
Currently there are zero OD's available at any level. All gone.
12-11-2013 , 05:27 AM
What is going on? Was just 'unregistered' from 2 SNG's? Is there a software update in progress?
12-11-2013 , 03:03 PM
As a tournament an OD is kind of a novelty but as a sitngo an OD doesn't make a lot of sense since all sitngos are essentially ODs. I think that it would be best to keep the ODs exclusively in the tournament lobby rather than putting them in both lobbies. That would resolve the problem of ODs being included in the promotion and help reduce sitngo lobby clutter.
12-13-2013 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by SantaCruz
As a tournament an OD is kind of a novelty but as a sitngo an OD doesn't make a lot of sense since all sitngos are essentially ODs. I think that it would be best to keep the ODs exclusively in the tournament lobby rather than putting them in both lobbies. That would resolve the problem of ODs being included in the promotion and help reduce sitngo lobby clutter.
yes and then re fix the structure to return them to being MTTs. And if you want to include them in the contest then I think the Pts:time ratio would have to be implemented for amount of points awarded.

As an MTT player, having ODs in the contest initially got me to play some SNG, DoN etc. Then when the format was changed I almost left the contest (was sitting in 9th) but decided that the ODs were changed to something very exploitable and since no one seems to take stock in what I was saying would happen with a change in the structure I decided, i guess Ill just exploit this flaw instead. (top 20 atm mixing in ODs to my Mtt slate hardly any sng/don after the switch in OD structure)

Last edited by bemcd; 12-13-2013 at 11:05 AM.
12-13-2013 , 11:33 AM
2 other ideas.
1. Fix the tourney this is contest is a feeder into. (LSOP 10 seat currently)

my proposed solution: (from earlier post different thread)

make this a password tourney (like affiliate freerolls are)
email everyone the password that has won the seat.
Notify all players of this through a banner on the main client (like to check inbox )
open registration 2 hours before the LSOP 10 seat starts and allow it through late registration period.
DONE AND DONE..tourney fixed.

obviously there would be a few problem with this but there are solution to those problems.
A. the Tourney could be paused at the beginning and the TD could go through the name and make sure all entrants have qualified, again during sync breaks)
B. WARN on password page of any players found to be entering tourney without qualifying get X punishment. something like that.
***sidenote heard about a ticket system in the works which would also take care of this problem

2. Featured SNG/DoN/OD double points where a schedule of "featured" games receive double points for a period of time everyday. throughout the month.
So one day it might be $3 DoNs 6 -mans, $20 9 man turbo the next and so on..
Or you could even have it change every few hours, in a "surprise these are the feautred ones" for next 3 hours. (make them BOLD and a different in the lobby)
12-14-2013 , 05:10 PM
are we going to have any evidence that even lip service is being paid to anything mentioned ITT by WPN? we're a day away from the end of the first promotion and by all metrics it's been a total failure to this point
12-14-2013 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TheTenderVigilante
we're a day away from the end of the first promotion and by all metrics it's been a total failure to this point
Sit and Crush is a month long promotion

https://www.americascardroom.eu/prom...-crush/#tabs-5
12-14-2013 , 05:15 PM
wtf TD said it was in 2 week intervals

god ****ing damnit
12-14-2013 , 05:55 PM
where?
12-14-2013 , 07:32 PM
upon further review it looks like i misread the posts in the sngbeast announcement thread. my bad
12-14-2013 , 07:49 PM
Wouldn't mind it being 2 weeks though.

      
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