This Russian called my 140bb bluff over 300bb deep with top pair king kicker. He must be a bot, or maybe I'm just a fish lol.

Maybe he's got a read, or maybe he's a top pair is the nuts kind of player. That's not evidence of a bot though

I know I'm just messing around. Honestly if there were bots wouldn't they be easy to play against kind of ABC style? Or do you think people are scripting bots to be laggy, unpredictable, and complete crushers??

Has there been any accounts of confirmed bots in any online poker room? I'm seriously asking as I have a live poker background and am a newb in the online poker world.

Depends how they're programmed. Most strong bots going into the future, which will likely become a bigger problem as computing power grows, will use machine learning approaches.

Basically, that they play against themselves in a simulation to try to find an "optimal" equilibrium strategy, but limited by certain constraints that make the computation feasible (only using a few possible bet sizes, combining different hands together as one, maybe other things).

So they won't really fit either description, as you've stated them. They won't specifically be trying to play "unpredictably," it just happens as a consequence of optimization.

I'm not sure to what extent the current generation of bots fits the above description vs being manually programmed (i.e., a simple NL bot may be programmed to only sit with huge fish, play high pocket pairs and ak, and set mine, while folding everything else - but would be easy for a good player to beat.)

Heads up, short-stacked NLHE is probably the easiest game for bots to play (as far as popular games go), so it may not be surprising to see them there (I'm not saying it is currently happening or not on WPN, I don't know). There have also been reports of some PLO bots at midstakes cash games on various sites.

I haven't heard any reports of bots being good at deepstacked PLO/NLHE (relative to strong pros), but it is almost a certainty that this will be an enormous problem for online poker in a few years. It's just a question of whether it will take 2 years or 20 years, assuming computing power continues to grow exponentially. Smart money would bet on computers being able to beat even the very best players at heads up, deep-stacked games, eventually. But not now.

Are the players that say "Hello from suchandsuchscreename" a bot? It seems like its 100% automated. I had a guy in a HUHypers last night say that immediately every match like it was scripted. I've seen it said a few times elsewhere too.

I smashed him tho. It played horrendous.

That's automated, not bots though, it's players on a certain skin. I don't remember which skin offhand but it's been brought up before.

question

is there a site such as 2plus2 for Russians?

I see this all the time playing cash games on betcoin...

would love to know how/what WPN does to ensure no bots are on the network
of course some things prob need to remain vague as to not help people circumvent the rules

I hear all these talks about Pstars and everytime CEO speaks he refers to Pstars

so lets discuss what WPN does to provide a bot free game

weird how they all move down at the exact same time. Obama to 60s sakka to 36s and oppy moved down 2 levels to 12s.

As far as I can recall they swap levels from time to time. Other than Obama who i have not seen played anything else other than 120

obama has been playing 60s all week, all 3 of them moved down at the exact same time

yeah they always move up down at similar times

what I would pay to know the truth

Possible they just know each other and share a bankroll? That could also explain similar strategies, if they discuss things with each other.

Though being bots would also explain it as well. (I don't know anything about the players in questions, just providing possibilities.)

They get rid of double or nothing sitngoes.

bots fuze data, so its data mineing applied in real time on a table by a player that has your stats from a separate table said player is not sittin on atm

not true, a decent hacker can install multiple computers/virtual computers, inside of one computer and run diff/same clients on vpns, bots fuze data and multiple hole cards when available , so its data mineing applied in real time on a table by a player that has your stats from a separate table said player is not sittin on atm

I stopped playin all forms of online poker except MTTS n hu because said collusion tactics seem to infest all forms imo, but large field MTTS n hu are free from most collusion imo

Stars has a recent bot incident at an FT so obv wpn needs to look into it

What is this thread? Does anyone actually believe this nonsense? If someone has clear evidence of suspect behavior, they should present it. Otherwise, there is no reason for ridiculous and idiotic speculation.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...65/index8.html

response please?

Yes, an example of an actual situation of concern. As opposed to this thread, which consists of random accusations and libel.

other then every number on my hud over a 15k or more hand sample for almost all of them in question being almost identical, and all bet sizes the same in each situation for all

exact same seating habit also
and exact same timing for rematch every tourney over a huge sample

for years

most are from same city in a country or in close distance
all blocked sharkscope the exact same time, although I did see before blocked
all never have played each other in an extended session, and opposite to any other opponents when/if they do sit they decline rematch

all move up/down stakes at similar times
all will auto sit for life anyone but each other

now I know this could all be a misunderstanding as it could just be a close group chilling and playing honestly...I will give that benefit of the doubt for sure as I have no scientific proof to determine this as you asked for

I have played at others houses and both been in HU events never discussing hands while session is live, so a possibility is there for them to be playing fairly

I just doubt it, something just doesn't seem right to me...I am allowed to have my own thoughts if they are paranoid or founded

that is all I got to go by

Do you actually play these games? Do you see posts like this about any other groups of players in them? It's true that rigorous evidence hasn't been presented, but there are definitely good reasons to suspect these accounts are bots.

I've played about 1.5k HUSNGs on WPN, not that it matters. The posts in this thread approximate a witch-hunt, and I don't know how mods tolerate it.

They really don't approximate a witch hunt, because everything netgod said in his post above is true and anyone who has played this block of accounts for even a small number of hands can confirm that. Like many of the regs and semiregs posting in this thread have corroborated.

Calling this a "witch hunt" as if it's just some salty players picking names out of a hat is ludicrous, even if no huge sample of damning hh evidence has been posted.

So your sayin its possible on Stars which literally spends millions of dollars on security, the most heavily guarded site in the history of online poker but its not possible/happenin on WPN. Thats like sayin a couple of amateur pilots with walki talkis and towels on their heads being led by a leader from a cave can infiltrate the most heavily guarded airspace in the history of the planet and all hit their targets precisely on point.

Online poker has been under attack by the satanic social engineers since it came onto the scene and shot televised poker up to the #2 most watched sport on tv behind the NFL. The same NFL who doesn’t pay taxes. Poker was attacked wt laws such as UIgEA, poker also as been under attacks by hackers doing massive ddos attacks and by bots.

Poker did not offer enough value mathematically, such as to say the slavers were not getting enough of a piece of the pie, and it did not offer enough intrinsically satanic value to make up for all the positive skills/traits poker teaches that are outside of the school system in the US, and so many life skills that are outside of what the satanic social engineers want its slave population to practice, namely to use their brains.

When your playing poker your not a sitting duck for advertisement firms who use subliminal messaging, your not contributing to a culture of mindless consumerism of products made by slaves, your not soaking in all the subconscious satanic imagery prevlant in tv programming and music videos. If your TV is not on your biorhythmic beats cant be attacked, and snake oil salesman cant hypnotize you with Neuro Linguistic Programming


Online Poker also was creating young millionaires from all across the planet, from all walks of life, that think they can make history. Its actually the most logical thing that the people in power would do anything they can to keep their power. In the past the past the people in power had a monopoly on the narrative, but with the internet the truth about the narrative emerged. The powers that be did not want young self made online millionaires that may want to peacefully abolish the federal government.