http://store.blackchippoker.eu/index.php/

Thank you.

What is the best method to load a first time deposit onto BCP? I noticed that most of the methods are pretty crippled in deposit amount. My account has been verified if that matters. Cant quiet get to $1k online to get the $1k bonus. I was actually hoping to load more than $1k, but bank transfers are like $500, and Money Gram is $900. How does anyone get real money onto this network, or do you all load it on slowly? Any big games ever running worth loading a roll on there?

ask for bigger visa deposit limits, think i was able to do that. then i think they allowed like my first three deposits to count toward initial deposit bonus

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If I sign up for ACR through an affiliate for 27% RB do I have to make a deposit right away for the RB to be active? I am owed some $ so I would be doing a p2p transfer and playing on those funds until I felt like depositing. I wanted to make sure I would get RB while playing. Thanks.

it will not let me type my name into the box in the cashier when I am trying to cash player points for tournament bucks, tech support says i need to send them a screen shot. anyone else have this problem?

Does anyone get rakeback from ACR via Rakebrain? I think it's been around two weeks since it was approved from Rakebrain and I started playing on ACR - and still no data has been updated. The page that lists when the last update from each website looks way out of date, nothing for a 1-2+ years... does anyone know if there is anything actually going on at Rakebrain?

If I am generating roughly $750 per month in rake, would rakeback or elite be better for me?

As a Major (3K pts / $546+ rake monthly), you'll get 19.6% from exchange to tourney bucks plus 6-7% from Medals of Achievement, i.e. about the same as if you were on RB.

As you're going to generate more rake soon, and you can switch the programs only once, I advise to remain on Elite. Even if you don't play that much right now, the gain you'll get from hitting General next year offsets the small loss you'll suffer if you remain a Captain (=Silverstar) or Major throughout this year.

If you play cash, then you'll surely be better off on Elite because it uses the dealt 'rake' calculation method, which benefits regulars, especially tight ones (attributes 1.1x-1.3x more 'rake' to them than the weighted contributed method on which the 27% rakeback is based).

I've been playing for about 6 days and generated 2,000 points on the beast leaderboard. Are these the points you are referring to? If so, I should do about 8,000 per month, assuming I do not move up in stakes.

Yes, I play mostly cash at the moment.

No, I was referring to Rank Points that are given at the rate of 5.5 per $1 non-Beast/SnC rake, using the dealt method to calculate your share. You can view them in the poker client, clicking on the menu next to the Tourney, Sit&Go and Casino tabs.

Beast points are given at the rate of 1 per $0.02 (50 per $1) of Beast fees generated by you, using the weighted contributed method. The Beast fee is usually 1/3 of total rake, but as the former is capped at $0.24, it can be less than 1/3 of total rake in big pots.

E.g. imagine that you've played a hand with 5 players dealt in, where you and player A have contributed $1 into the pot and then folded, while players B and C have contributed $5 each [as usual, uncalled bets don't count], players D has folded preflop and paid nothing.

$0.60 rake has been taken out of the $12 pot. Out of it, $0.20 feeds The Beast and $0.40 is 'pure' rake.

Your (and everyone else's, even D's) dealt rake for Elite purposes is $0.40/5 = $0.08, so you all get 0.8*5.5 = 4.4 Rank Points.

You and A both earn ($1/$12)*0.20*50 ~ 0.83 Beast points. B and C both earn ($5/$12)*0.20*50 ~4.17 Beast points. D earns no Beast points because he's contributed nothing.

Analogously, if you were on the 27% RB, your rake for this hand would be ($1/$12)*$0.40 ~ $0.033, which is less than the $0.08 that the dealt method would assign to you.

More thoughts on the comparison of rakeback and Elite Benefits...

WPN is of course trying to bring nostalgy, allowing to choose between the VIP program mirroring Stars' and flat 27% rakeback like Full Tilt used to have pre-BF.

But the thing is that Full Tilt also had Iron Man medals on top (another 10-15% for top grinders), while Stars had pretty much only the VIP program, and that's why Full Tilt was giving a bit more rewards to grinders than Stars did to Supernovas.

WPN's Beast and SnC are available to both RB and Elite players, hence RB is inferior most of the time, especially because Rank Points are assigned using the dealt method and the RB is weighted contributed.

When it was announced that Black Chip would grandfather 35% RB for existing players when moving to WPN, I didn't regret not having an account there because I play so tight in cash games that the 35% RB wouldn't be better for me than even Grinder (=Major, the 3K-point level) rewards, which are 27%-ish dealt. Analogously, the standard 27% RB is worse for tight players than Rounder/Captain rewards, which are 22%-ish dealt.

Perhaps switching Elite Benefits to the weighted contributed model would make cash games less reg-infested, but then WPN should redistribute the extra money (that will be saved grinders have bigger rake return %s than casuals) into recreational-friendly promotions like mission weeks or bigger depositor freerolls.

Cool, thanks for the replies.

I still don't completely understand what exact dollar amount makes Elite better than rakeback for a cash player. I suspect I will be doing 1k+ per month in the next few months. I do play relatively tight in cash games.

The elite program does not give me actual money, it gives me tournament tickets, correct?

Tickets (or converting T$ to cash via the support with the purpose of using them in SnGs as Kahn said above) give the optimal value for Combat Points. You can of course buy cash dollars at the store at a worse rate (for Generals, the rate they get when buying $1.5K and $4K rewards is actually close to optimal) if you don't want to play tourneys at all. I'd however still advise to convert points to T$ because playing them through won't distract you that much, will be a tiny part of your overall volume.

You would be earning rakeback no matter how your account was funded as long as you properly signed up for it in the first place

Rakebrain has an awful reputation. Check the rakeback forum here at 2+2 if you need more details on why.



There are links ITT to a very thorough comparison article and chart discussing the matter.

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Kahn

Oh btw, Kahn, why does the chart list rakeback percentages only for people who start the year as Lieutenants but doesn't list them for people who start the year as Generals / 5-Star Generals?

How do I check if I'm elite or on RB? Also, how do I switch between them? I'm on BCP.

If you are elite, you are earning "Points"

You can redeem some of your earned points for Cash/Tourney $

If you are on Rakeback you would go here to find out and redeem your Rakeback.

http://prntscr.com/6upfz6

Then hit the "Redeem" button to redeem your Rakeback.

If you want to switch from one to the other, E-mail VIP@blackchippoker.eu to get that done. Be careful, though, as you can only do it once per skin per lifetime of your account.

1) No one on the WPN has ever made it to 5 star general/Icon status.

2) Those that have made it to general are a small group that typically understands their rewards and I've not had cause or reason to commission another chart to explain their benefits to them.

3) *spoiler* Because it is a legacy webpage with no monetary value.


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Kahn

So if $50 JPTs come out soon, I and other regs of those games will have a chance to become the first ever grinders at the top VIP level... that's weird, I thought that at least some of those who lead Beast rankings already are, but apparently there's just not enough traffic on the network for this to happen.

Edit: I think Leatherass might become the first 5-Star (if he's eligible for it as a sponsored player and it makes sense for him at all - I don't know his contract details) - he's already interested in Jackpots and the transitioning is of course smooth for him because they're much like his main game, CAP NL.

Actually, there will be jackpot $40s, not $50s... Well, 5-Star/Icon is still doable via them

5Star/Icon has been doable. No one has bothered to do it yet however.

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Kahn

Can a WPN rep answer or if anyone knows: JackPot SnGs (thank you in advance for any help!) Sorry if already answered...

How many PPs earned for each tourney (bronze level = 0 multiplyer)

$2
$10
$40

My applause to WPN using the Pokerstars model, just last week alone I know of 8 guys who signed up at ACR because of this.... Great Job... So nice to have a Pokerstars Lite site to play on from the USA.

The Green Smoothie (Kevin Pflug) will probably be the first, he even says he will be - won The Beat many times already.. He is a 2 or 3 time SNE @ Stars (middle aged white Nanonoko) seems like a super cool & classy guy.. Definately rooting for him... He also streams at Twitch which is so cool to watch.

The Green Smoothie website www.masstabler.com