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Antes would make the beast cash tables a bit more exciting when it comes to gaining points as you could get points close to every hand even if you folded. It also might stimulate some action on the tables which would help combat any nittiness.

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08-28-2017 , 04:03 PM

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How would the points work on hands that are folded pre flop since there would be no rake taken? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose then?

08-28-2017 , 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chopsy2

How would the points work on hands that are folded pre flop since there would be no rake taken? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose then?

sorry i didnt word it correctly in the OP. If you fold preflop but the hand sees a flop you will get beast points due to your ante (assuming you are playing 10nl and up)

i do believe antes will make the game a little looser however, which would be a good thing imo.

08-29-2017 , 12:35 PM

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But this doesn't explain what would happen if someone raises pre flop and everyone else folds. The antes would still have been taken but because of the no flop, no drop policy no beast points should be awarded since the beast points are tied to rake being taken.

08-29-2017 , 02:59 PM

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It does explain it because i said "if u fold but the hand sees a flop u get points" so logic would tell u if the hands doesnt see a flop then no points are awarded.i guess i should've wrote that part out instead of assuming you would connect the dots.

08-29-2017 , 03:50 PM

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well I am not opposed to ante tables but your reasoning that they would make grinding the beast more exciting is completely illogical since it would be the same for everyone. come up with a better reason for creating such tables and maybe you will have something. #connectthedots

08-29-2017 , 04:55 PM

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lol my ideas illogical but you think it "would be the same"

you are utg, u fold, but contributed an ante, the hand sees a flop, u get points because you contributed something other than the blinds. How is that "the same" Not to mention antes would induce more action and games would be less nitty.

Like i said, i should have worded everything entirely because apparently you arent capable of connecting the dots. Feel free to explain how antes would keep the game the same rather than saying "its illogical". Dont worry, ill wait.

08-29-2017 , 06:42 PM

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All I am saying is that you using the beast as a reason to get antes brought into the games is not a good reason. Antes or no antes will not affect the outcome of the beast at all since everyone will get points regardless. No matter which way you slice it the beast standings will be determined by who puts in the most work.

Again I am not opposed to antes or your idea, I am just trying to point out to you tying the beast to antes to strengthen your case is stupid, they don't have anything to do with each other.

08-29-2017 , 08:45 PM

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Still waiting on you to explain how antes wont change the game. Saying everybody will get points regardless isnt enough.

08-29-2017 , 08:57 PM

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Still waiting on you to explain how antes wont change the game. Saying everybody will get points regardless isnt enough.

Why not just jump up stakes if you want more excitement?

08-29-2017 , 10:31 PM

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Why not just jump up stakes if you want more excitement?

You voted no to antes, care to explain why?

08-29-2017 , 11:04 PM

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08-29-2017 , 11:05 PM

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You voted no to antes, care to explain why?

Maybe I shouldve voted on certain tables but just because you mentioned all tables so i voted no..

08-29-2017 , 11:14 PM

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Still waiting on you to explain how antes wont change the game. Saying everybody will get points regardless isnt enough.

You must be not reading my posts correctly. I meant antes will not affect players in regards to the beast since the pints awarded will be a wash for everyone. Your opening post tied the beast points and antes together when they have no effect on each other. And to be honest with the amount of regs trying t cash in on the beast I feel antes won't have that big of an impact anyways. Players trying to place on the beast are just trying to minimize their losses at the tables, not trying to profit so much on the vital felt. Therefore the tightness of the games won't change much.

08-30-2017 , 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by H0RUS

+1 I hope the ACR rep takes notice of this and puts it into consideration

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08-30-2017 , 12:48 PM

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On further thought on this I would if antes might actually slow down the volume of the high level grinders. Since nl sees fewer flops than limit the high level grinders my not want to play the ante games due to having to put into the pot with the risk of getting no points vs non ante games where they don't have to put in anything also for zero points. I would like to see some math from some high volume grinders to see if they think antes would hurt their bottom line.

08-30-2017 , 05:06 PM

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Since nl sees fewer flops than limit the high level grinders my not want to play the ante games due to having to put into the pot with the risk of getting no points vs non ante games where they don't have to put in anything also for zero points.

the pots where they fold pre but the hand sees a flop they would get points because of the ante where as before they wouldnt (assuming they wasnt in the blinds)

imo antes = more money in the pot pre = more incentive to loosen up. That would make for a better game imo. I dont really care if games are nitty right now, i just think its long overdue to have ante games.

08-31-2017 , 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by H0RUS

Dude you just don't get. The points aspec of your argument is pointless. Because everyone would be paying antes everyone would get points so it is a wash for everyone. Antes won't make the beast more exciting, the only it will do is make the point totals higher across the board for everyone. And it is just a guess but I doubt the high volume grinders would like the antes as it will cut into there beast profits.

If you want to say the games themselves would get more action I probably would agree with you. But antes have no influence on the beast, it's a non issue.

08-31-2017 , 10:18 AM

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Antes is only a wash if everyone plays at the ante tables, those who dont wont benefit. Also, table size will also affect point distribution. So just saying antes is a wash is sufficient because it doesnt make sense. Antes would help increase the beast prizepool aswell as pots would generally be bigger = more beast contribution. How do you come to the conclusion antes wont make the beast more exciting? Lol. Antes = more incentive to be aggressive = looser game = more fun.

Im having a hard time understanding why you are so anti-ante. If you look at the poll, you are the minority.

08-31-2017 , 01:35 PM

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Clearly you have selective reading skills. If you had read the last part of my last post you would see I am not anti ante. And you are so wrong about the beast. The beast is determined by only one thing, volume. It doesn't matter if there are antes or not, who ever plays the most wins the leaderboard. You really need to understand that the beast competition is a completely different animal from how the games on the table are played.

08-31-2017 , 07:17 PM

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I'd see this as a way of getting out of games with nitty beast grinders. Beast grinders wound't want to play with antes cuz you'd wanna play looser preflop. Would be awesome to have imo. Better then speed poker.

08-31-2017 , 09:51 PM

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I agree. I think speed poker would actually be nittier than the current games.

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Actually you are the one who is "so wrong" about the beast. You really need to understand that if the beast was soley determined by volume, like you said, then 2nl grinders could win. Its actually determined by pot contribution 1st, volume 2nd. A 200nl+ reg can get more points than a 50nl reg even though the 50nl reg puts in more volume than the 200nl+ reg lol. So your view of "whoever plays the most wins the leaderboard" is incorrect.

09-03-2017 , 10:18 AM

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09-06-2017 , 12:45 PM

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I'm all for it. I 99% play tournies on ACR because I find grinding cash online so boring.

With antes I would be happy to play some cash.

09-10-2017 , 05:21 PM

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