These are two different eastern european accounts with very suspect, similar stats.


Thought i shouldn't post usernames since it wouldn't be fair to post alot of stats if they were somehow legit.

hands are filtered from 4-6 handed w/ around 50k hands each

Hud:




General stats:










Cbet:









i'm sure there are a bunch of filters and other stats that would be better to use but im not really sure what to look up there.


basically these guys play in shifts. over this hand sample there is only 32 hands of theirs that were played at the same table, which is obviously very surprising since all of these hands were at the same stake (they don't move up or down) and there is just not alot of active tables at any given time to avoid someone like that.



edit: also found one more guy in my database that i somehow missed.
all stats are the same as the two above, and again this 3rd guy has only ~60 hands played with the above accounts. 8 hour workshifts

LOL you got me pouring thru my database trying to figure out who it might be but I don't have a ton of plo hands. I have a a handful of players that meet those preflop stats but didn't dive into all the other stats stats and I have very few hands next to what you have.

This thread might serve some purpose but i'd highly recommend emailing security@americascardroom.eu in conjunction

Here's a thread I created where Joey E rants about bots at micros
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3.../#post53137852

Here's the vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5uS...ature=youtu.be

Maybe this will actually make WPN step their game up, everybody and their momma is saying there are bots on this site.

LOL after the other thread, I'm curious how many bots are winning on this network. Since I've joined here 2-3 years ago I've always heard about bots but now it's a mantra I hear over and over again from other players, "ACR has bots, ACR has bots, ACR has bots."

I'd love to see their winrates sense they are everywhere apparently on this site.

Repost from PLO forum thread:

zomg robots!!!!

Did you actually read the post?

The bots are probably just rumors. Consistently showing up with proof in the form of hard data. Yeah, those are called rumors too.

Bots have a much easier time to beat PLO because instead of knowing 6 cards with 3 bots on a NL game they now know 12 cards with 3 players. Huge difference obv, if it's correctly utilized.

That is why I never played PLO. I am sure many people have said this before, but I haven't read it on 2 + 2, so I thought I would share my thoughts.

I wonder if that equals itself out tho cuz the entire reason bots can be beat is bluffing and plo adds so many more spots to bluff. Seems like an interesting math question.

A handful of bots are winning at micro/low NLH, and from there its a mix between BE to slightly losing who probably make it up getting $ from the beast.

"Security" will just send a popup to suspected accounts to verify that they're a human, with something similar like a Captcha, which would be easily circumvented as a programmer. AFAIK that's the extent of the security measure.

The NLH bots have very similar vpip/pfr/3b/f23b/cb/tcb/f2cb/f2tcb stats etc., but there are some smaller deviations in other stats which in the perspective of the security team makes all other relevant data points void it seems. In any case, I still think that it warrants more investigating when your player pool raises suspicion with solid data points other than just a Captcha popup.

As for your data points, very convincing as it is impossible for two players to have the same exact stats even if they were roommates learning the game together.

Good luck and hope those stats gets those cheating eastern EU bots banned.

But the CAPTCHA, THE ****ING CAPTCHA COULDN'T BE WRONG!

I said it in another post about bots, but there could be bots making decisions and humans pressing buttons.

Then what?

This is better, IMO: "PokerStars Asking Players to Record Videos of Play To Help Fight Bots" https://www.pokernews.com/news/2016/...deos-23891.htm

Never thought about it like that. It's true what you say. There are already too many tools availble for poker players in my opinion.

These 3 accounts are still playing their three 8 hour shifts per day like clockwork.

We can only hope that the silence from WPN on the issue is being addressed in the new software coming soon... If not, I vote videos for suspect accounts like Stars was doing. Kind of funny how many of the hyper regs "quit" when they were told to do this.

Running below all in equity over a large sample was one of the predictors of playing against bots that share hole cards, right? (remembering from the PS thread where the micro PLO bot rings were outted).

I'm well below all in EV over 20k hands at micro PLO on WPN. Stopped playing because I suspected a bot ring.

Below all in equity has nothing to do with bots.

not like card removal would effect your equity in an all in...

No?

Want to take some flips and let me pick some cards that I want out of the deck?

Lol, right. Not sure if it was confirmed, but definitely very likely that the PLO bots on Stars were sharing hole cards which means there is a very likely chance the same thing is happening on the site that has laughable security.

20K sample size is too small FWIW.

True, too small to be conclusive. It was sufficient, however, to raise my suspicion to quit the games.

If there are many of us (confirmed humans) that have similar results over large-ish samples, then it would be more damning.