I have a question. After this plo promo is over, are you going to start herding us plo players back over into your nlh to help prop them up, or are you really going to give us a schedule that will build on its own.

Give me something to be positive about ok.

They are not to top heavy but rather just appear that way due to paying out a huge % of the field. As other posters have pointed out paying 20-25% of the field (esp in mid-hi) takes a lot away from FT payouts and especially top 6 spots.

Do I think the structures are too long? Of course, IMO all tournaments that aren't special daily/weekly tournaments should be 10 or 12 minute levels with both 3 and 5k starting stack. 15 minute levels for smaller field tournaments that take 7+hours is completely unnecessary. A few more daily turbos from 11-109 would fit the schedule well.

100% agree.


Please delete all the G160M tournaments and replace them with turbos. They do not run ever as they are poorly scheduled with extremely small gtds. Unnecessary clutter in the lobby that should be removed. Replace all of them with some of the following tournaments you feel would fit. 90 minute late reg.

12:00 11 turbo 3k gtd
12:30: 3.30 turbo 1k gtd
2:00 16.50 turbo 2k gtd
3:00 5.50 turbo 1k gtd
4:30 22 turbo 2k gtd
5:15 5.50 R turbo 4k (there is not one turbo rebuy on the schedule)
8:00 55 turbo 5k gtd
9:00 16.50 turbo 1k gtd

Do something about the G160M Please.

The GI60M tournaments were put into the schedule to appease a handful of players who instisted there was demand for these types of touranments.

The big problem came with them when they were changed to minimum 10 players to start. Since then, they don't really run. I'm OK with scrapping these, because they just clutter the schedule up.

I'm not going to say I completely know what the schedule needs, but I'll make a couple points. Firstly, things I've already said, so WTD has definetely seen in the past.

1) A medium stakes "Thousandiare Maker" like Bovada has. 44-82 dollar buy in, something in that range. I suggested this to them as the Bovada rep was leaving 2+2 and since adding it, it has been very successful.

2) More midstakes PLO8/NLO8 MTTs. This gametype is doing reasonable on other sites, and even the MTTs that run here seem to break their GTDs. Obviously no huge GTDs but this would give certain types of players more reason to play here. Maybe a 1k GTD 44 dollar buy in? If it does well change it to 2k?

3) Flatter overall payout structures, particularly on lower stakes tournaments.
-I think the logic that says higher stakes players want flatter payouts is flawed. Yes, higher stakes regs probably do want flatter payouts. But all winning players want flatter payouts on average, so that's not really relevant when it comes to discussing stakes. What is more relevant is what recreational players want at those levels - and what's best to keep the games sustainable.
- I could be wrong, but I'd think that the majority of players who play recreationally are most interested in 2 specific things when it comes to payouts. How much is paid for a mincash and how much is paid for first.
- Players who satellite in are generally more than happy with 1.5x as the minimum payout, especially as compared to people who buy in directly. Since higher buy in games have more satellite qualifiers, there are more people in higher stakes MTTs who are happy with a smaller min cash amount. On the other hand, a 5 dollar MTT really should payout 2x at very least to a min casher.


I'll come back with any more specific suggestions, but for now that's all I got.

It looks like the mo mo mo PLO Sunday Special is staying

Last Sunday 27K gtd made it (33.2K) and it's in the lobby for 1/3 minus the mo mo mo tag for 29K gtd.

Happy to see this... now, TD... let's build a little satty schedule for this as well.

How about a $30 deepstack NON TURBO 10 seat GTD, that runs on Wednesday when the 25k and the cage is running? It should be able to hit the gtd I would think.

triple up quadruple up n quintuple ups

boring

How about responding. Sometimes I wanna post stuff but you guys clearly don't care. And yes it is insanely clear based on how little you respond. You realize we don't make $ for our suggestions we are helping you make $ and people can't even get w response. If you say it's because of the holidays that's a terrible defense.


1K cage is laughable, and idk how the lobby's of all MTTs is so ridic and cluttered can't even see when late reg closes. Or the satty to the 1K $50 one w15 seats. It got 16800 prize pool, but in the lobby it said only 16 people get paid. Can be pretty confusing when 1K seat on the line and i have no reason to believe you guys would do it right. So can you put when 17th and how much $ it is. Just for a little clarity.

Also can you explain how you charge such ridiculous rake for a terrible trny.
It's a cash game time bomb freeze out, with antes... What are you doing in any way whatsoever that makes this a good trny for anybody, I mean there is so much wrong with the cage and everything leading to it honestly.

I think Winning TD is away for holiday, I expect he'll respond to this thread after he returns next week.

Agreed with what many said above. 15 min structure, 20% payouts, and 3 hour late reg + reentry keep me from putting any significant volume on this site.

Okay WPN rep I think it's time to start posting. Hope to see you soon

Overall here are the major points:

55 1pm daily+sunday (10k daily) 25k+ sunday 5hour lR

late night sunday turbo 55 10k, weekly 55 5k 8:30 PM

Low-Mid daily rebuy 11-33 5k+ 5:00 PM

Replace G160M with anything (preferably turbos)

Saturday 160 6max (or 215) 25k 3hour lr 15min 4:00PM (Add sats)

Replace 160 10k with either 109 T or 82 12min levels. (add sats)

Also please consider focusing the highest buyin of the schedule (the 1k cage) towards a higher value tournament that will see more players. If the cage for example was a weekly 1k high roller with the amount of sats that run WPN could have the highest value HSMTT on a weekday, every Wednesday.

If a gimicky 1k cash/satty type tournament can run every week, surely a 1k 15min level (25-50k idk) could run healthy along side the cage. Or perhaps replacing the cage with a regular big Wed 1k once a month or so. Please consider it.

Tournaments won't hit guaruntees if they aren't 15 min blinds with 3 hour late reg.

$100 1 rebuy 1 addon on Sundays - 25k GTD. Should hit

cage could be changed to winner take all, must play till someone has all the chips, max of 20 players.

like the old school stars freezeout. that would be kinda cool, to see ppl battling for that.

Please do not do this. Replace the cage with a monthly 1k imo.

I bet they do hit the guarantee. If there was 1 hour late reg you would see the same number of entrants as now.

I think some players notoriously just wait till the last sec to reg esp with the 15 min blind structure. Make a 10-12 min blind structure 1-2 hr late reg the same people will reg last second.

+1

SO RIGHT

I would snap take that bet but obv we have no way to test the theory.

If it was the case WPN would have already done it. From their standpoint it makes more sense getting tournaments done quicker but they are unable to do so without lowering the GTDs.

Woah, can't agree with that.

One would think logically, but no, not a given for WPN.

+1,000 for flatter payout structure

I've been a loyal player on WPN since mid-2012, and I can definitely say that they have grown tremendously. If you had asked me 2 years ago if we would see a $1M GTD in the US again, I would have said "no way." For the most part, I'm pretty happy with the MTT schedule as a low/mid-stakes grinder, but I definitely can agree with a good bit of the suggestions stated earlier ITT about higher buy-ins/guarantees (especially on Saturday).

Here are my suggestions. . .

WPN does a great a job with satellites to the major events, and some of the bigger mid-stakes guarantees that they have been running for a while. However, you will see the occasional bigger guarantee/promotional tournament pop up on the schedule, and it has 0 satellites or 1 satellite with a turbo structure. One poster mentioned the $109 PLO on Sunday's recently--I myself would have loved to take a shot at some satellites to that, but they just weren't being offered. The solution to this is simple: tournament tickets. You can run MTTs or SNGs satellites to award them, and it gives players an opportunity to potentially turn a small investment into something memorable.

The other thing that immediately comes to mind are the GI60M tournaments. Even though I play them (when they run) and don't think they have bad structures, overall they just haven't been successful. There are just way too many that get cancelled due to insufficient number of registrants. Replace these things with anything--I don't care. Having a tournament that will actually run, coupled with longer Late Registration, is better than not having a tournament at all.

I feel like I've said it before in another WPN thread, but I miss cubed and quad rebuy events. It would be awesome to see these sprinkled throughout WPN's weekly lineup.

Mo Mo Plo(8) Do it!

Sunday - you could run a $10 10k GTD that starts at the same time the $22 25k is running with the same structure. I would think it could hit the gtd with the similar structure.

Hi guys,

it is true that i was away and back now ready for action.

I did keep up to date with the thread and took some ideas.

I made the 1st draft but we are taking a little longer than expected to try and get it excellent.

I will say one thing at the moment and that is Sundays wont really be changing, however i will be adding a 50k $50 5 HR LR as i think that is a great tournament.

Once we have the final draft i will be publishing for feedback