He had something like this but with a different background when I saw it which is all just part of WPN software.

Indeed...slightly different look to the hole cards on BlackChip though.

I use that same 4 color deck and a red felt table. Just a feature in the WPN software. It's extremely easy to read when you're multitabling and you can't possibly miss a flush draw.

"It's clearly f'd up too because it shows me as losing 2 cents in PT4."

You both put in 55 cents.

Your opponent got back 54 cents and will show as he lost 1 cent in PT.

You got back 53 cents and will show as you lost 1 cent in PT.

Right, except I didn't actually get back the 53 cents...simply 2 cents. I'm not fabricating this over a 50 cent pot. I'm telling you the fact is that he recovered 54 cents and I recovered 2. That's how the hand actually played out.

Also - Why does my 8 kicker not play? It's supposed to be any 5 card hand. 77A8 should still play over 77A6, no?

I told you.. you both have 77AKQ.. your 8 doesn't play.

Oh, of course. Sorry - didn't look back at the hand again.

So there it is: Split pot, but I didn't get my split. I lose it all except 2 cents which got pushed my way for some reason. Again, I understand WPN may insist this never happened, but it did and it's concerning because what if the same thing happens on a $264 pot for someone?

You might have missed it at the table, given your confusion about the hand. I find it's pretty easy to miss where the winnings are going on the table while I play, especially when I misread the winner(s).

I'm really not trying to be stubborn on this one but ...I do insist that I didn't just see it wrong. I even checked the BCP history right after the hand played out and it showed the same thing. I lost all but 2 cents I put in the pot on the hand.

Obviously nothing's ever going to be resolved by this but ...It did happen and it could therefore happen again.

There is no evidence that that is what happened... the hh number you gave shows the hand splitting and you lost 2 cents due to rake.

What's the hh number for the next hand at table? If you weren't pushed the pot, that hh will show that you were short

I don't know, man. I'd have to sift through the hand histories since I was multi tabling at the time.

Look, I physically saw it happen with my own two eyes and even told you upfront that the hand history is inaccurate. What it displays at the end of the hand is not what happened. If you're just NOT going to believe that it's at all possible that the software made a mistake on one hand...I don't know what else to say. I don't have any more evidence to supply.

If it happens to another guy on a big pot, I'm sure he'll come post about it.

If it actually happened.. it's a huge ****ing deal, and you have the exact evidence... the hh number. If your stack shows that you've got $6.43, then you were wrong... if you've got $5.92, then you were right and it's really newsworthy.

Alright, then. First chance I get I'll see which hand was the following hand on that same table and see what my stack shows. I promise in advance - if I'm wrong, I'll say "yeah I was just an idiot and totally read it wrong" but if I'm not I'll post the hand and show the stack.

It was late, I had been playing a long time...but I considered that at the time and therefore looked several times and made sure. I think the stack's going to show that I lost the money.

I actually just figured out how to find it fast: Next hand =


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 176.8 BB (VPIP: 44.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 12.20, Hands: 102)
UTG: 136 BB (VPIP: 73.68, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
CO: 36.6 BB (VPIP: 34.21, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.13, PFR: 19.42, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 103)
Hero (SB): 128.6 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6 J

UTG calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, fold, fold, BB checks

Flop: (3.4 BB, 3 players) K Q T
BB checks, UTG checks, CO bets 1.6 BB, BB calls 1.6 BB, UTG calls 1.6 BB

Turn: (8.2 BB, 3 players) 2
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks

River: (8.2 BB, 3 players) J
BB checks, UTG bets 28 BB, fold, fold

UTG wins 7.8 BB
Rake paid 0.4 BB

I'm trying to see if it even gave the CO from the previous hand the money and it didn't. Seriously though, I remember taking note of my $$ under my nametag after it and I had 50 something less cents and villain had profited 50 something cents. Again, I haven't seen any evidence of this in the hand history but it did definitely at least VISUALLY slide the pot toward villain and I remember seeing our balances and they were effected exactly as if he had won the hand.

edit: This "next hand" after the A8o hand is #393655422.

Yeah, stacks show you lost 2 cents and villain lost 1 cent... which is correct.

One of these would be great to see:

1) Gaming limits like poker stars has where you can't play over certain limits (the limits can be changed, but they take 24 hours or something to go into effect if you move them up).

2) Lock had (has?) something called a Vault... say what you want about the rest of the company, but I thought this was a fantastic idea. Money was still accessible to the player, but in order to move money from the vault, you had to put in a pin number and answer a security question.

3) RSA security token would be great.. but at least something like Google Authenticator or the PIN number sign in system the PokerStars has.

I used to have the RSA token back when we could play at Stars, so I'm familiar with that one. I'll have to look at the other two ideas as I'm not familiar with them. I'll check them out. Thanks.

WTF Blackchip. I rebooted my comp yesterday, so it's not like I've had BCP open for a month. I had to close a few of these before it finally closed. Is this necessary?

Sunday Special and Similar major tournament should have cheaper satellites to them.
22USD Hyper satellite, is this the best you can do, huh?

Also, why do every regular tournament has late registration which is on forever? I understand that you try to get more people to register, but the late registration period is way too long.

+1 for a RSA token.

Besides RSA tokens another great option would be to have a security code texted to our cell phones when we login! Tonsof sites have this option so I'd imagine it's not terribly difficult to get/implement



Are we ever going to see any software updates? There are more than a few bugs that need fixing and many much needed quality of life changes, but this software has no seen a real update in forever. I realize you're not pokerstars with some huge team of programmers, but this is just kinda pathetic to me how long the software has gone without any real change when there's room for improvement. The software is by no means bad, but the fact that it never gets changed is tilting

edit:

Checked the last page and saw this.
I have posted about this I believe three times, but at least twice. I have gotten kicked from a good 12-14 rebuy tournaments at this point well before the rebuy period is over. I contacted support about it and the guy pretty much told me that this doesn't happen and everything was fine on your end! Rebuying 6 times and then not being able to rebuy again right before the addon is pretty terrible Posted about this months ago things like this should be top priority and figured out ASAP

+1, this always changes between hands and makes it hard to tell if a person just sat in a game or is still sitting out.

Yeah man you are correct sir.

Agreed. This is in my queue.

there should be a better way to tell if someone straddles or min raises utg (its been happening at plo a bit)