No more BBJP at Winning....WTF

http://www.gambling911.com/poker/ame...mo-082913.html

WTFFFFFFFFFF

The Beast will take over?????????

More money for Dult and all the other BOTS

What a ****ing JOKEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

That's ridiculous, I really can't imagine they were actually getting complains about BBJ specifically, rather than the Beast...

House Bots must play

I hit the BBJP once, was great!

Kinda wished they did the opposite but whatever I never play the beast tables anyways.

:facepalm:

Everywhere there was discussion about the Beast/BBJ, 99% of people said to get rid of the Beast, and that the BBJ was whatever.

Seems strange, BBJ draws rec players to the tables. I can't imagine any recreational player being lured by the Beast, if they even comprehend it.

Guys,

Not entirely my place to explain but i will do it anyway ;-)

Basically the beast is going to be capped at $15k to the winner which it seems to get there or there abouts anyway. Therefore, This will benefit alot more people as more of the recreational players will be rewarded.

I really believe this is a good thing as you have to run pretty good or bad lol to drop the bbj and instead of hoping to get a reward, you will 100% be getting something back. Its still going to be live and will need to be hit many times before it actually disappears completely.

lol

Fellas, this is really good news. The BBJ is direct hit to your winrate with zero return and is massively -EV until its in the area of greater than $500k, which has never happened on WPN anyway. It takes all our money and gives it to a couple of luckboxes who probably never raked very much, instead of kicking back to the guys who add value and keep the games going.

The beast on the other hand, kicks back a % of the extra rake you pay directly to your account as long as you are raking something like $500-$1000 or more in a month. Furthermore, this is a network with thousands of casual players (there are big sports books on the network) who may only play 1 or 2 sessions a month and rake less than $100 in a month. They are contributing to the beast as well, but never get anything back, and that money goes toward the payouts of the few hundred or so regs who just have to rake roughly $500 or more to get into the payout chain.

Lastly, because 1st place is now capped, as the network continues to grow and more money goes into the beast pool, it would only make sense that everyone "in the money" with the beast, will get more money back than they've gotten previously.

Anyone who is concerned, I highly recommend you play the same amount of poker in September that you did in August, add in the beast prize, and compare your winrates for the two months. I seriously doubt anyone who does this will be complaining.

yeah, getting 50% of my over-raked money back is really a good news.

Yeah great....

the best bot/cheater can only take $15,000 instead of $16,000.

Considering the added drop used to be 50% BBJ / 50% beast, using these numbers would imply you used to be getting only 25% back. Now you are getting 50% back.

50% back > 25% back. That is good news, you are now paying less rake than before.

I would have preferred the WPN to remove the Beast only, or at least get rid of both the Beast and the BBJ. I read what Winning_TD wrote, but honestly how much can the Beast reward a casual recreational player like myself, who on average, only plays online poker a few hours per week. Please get rid of the Beast promotion altogether.

what the ****

gotta love people. "OMG NOO I WANT TO BE RAKED HARDDDD PLEASE DONT STOP RAKING ME TO DEATH I WANT A 0.0001% CHANCE OF WINNING A BBJ" less rake is good people. now if we can get rid of the beast we might have a good site to play on

I'm pretty sure most people are objecting about The Beast staying.... Rather than the BBJ going.

If they're gonna get rid of one or the other it should be The Beast, it's completely non-standard and has no appeal to casual players.

I don't play cash online, but if they got rid of the Beast I might once in a while.

It's only less rake for 2/4 and higher. The majority of players aren't putting in volume (or at least not significant volume) at those stakes. At 1/2 and lower, the rake is the same, with a larger % now being contributed to the Beast that most players aren't going to place high in.

Unless the $15k cap for 1st make a considerable difference in the amount lower ranking players make, then it isn't likely to help many people. All but the top rankers would still pay the same rake, and make roughly the same back (depends on how the money after the cap is reached is distributed).

And I'm not sure how much of a difference the $15k cap for 1st is going to make. Considering near the end of this month the 1st is currently at earning $13.5k. Which means by the end of the month, he'll probably come close to what the future cap will be. And the amount of volume put in by the top earners this month is much more than previous months (137k points this month currently versus 87k points for 1st last month).

Looking at the sites, there doesn't appear to be any good information on how the Beast payouts work. Looks to be some misinformation actually. ACR/BCP site says that the Beast payout will pay 13% (or $30k) of the total prize pool for 1st. However, then goes on to show a chart with a prize pool of $50k-$130k, with 1st getting 9.75%. Then it says the rest is determined by a sliding scale algorithm, but doesn't expand further on it.

Also, what is the tournament package jackpot exactly?

This is wrong. For the vast majority of players, they'll be getting nothing back. Grinders will be getting something back but most outside of the top 10 will be paying more than they'll be receiving. At least with the bbjp everybody had a chance of hitting it. You know a promo is god awful when people would rather have a bbjp.

Do you guys realize how awful these 24 tablers slow the games down. They don't drive action and I constantly see fish complaining about them taking too long.

You really should do something like stars where if players are constantly timing out their table limit is cut down.

+1

Does this mean the 10% admin fee will be going?

I believe the .05/.10 tables no longer pay into the beast but are there still going to be
.05/.10 tables?

I agree with this statement 100%. Horrible move by the WPN. Bottom line, do away with both promotions.

I just saw the news on pokerscout. Before opening the link I really didn't think it could be anything but good news. Wow.... So low-mid stakes still pay the same rake. I haven't played on this site since the switch from merge. Watching mamacoolj make 15k a month playing half stacked at cap tables was a little too much for me. It sounds like nothing has changed :'( This is very good news for such a small handful of people. How could they possibly think this was "listening to the players"?? Also why does so much goto the tournament race?

WPN is ****ing up such an amazing opportunity. This site should've been #1 in the USA a long, long time ago.

If they are getting rid of the BBJ drop, how is the rake not lower? You say at 1/2 and lower, a larger % is now being contributed to the Beast. Is the drop/rake of the Beast increasing when the BBJ ends?