ummm, the new payout was on last nights .10 100 gtd and is also there today. not to be confrontational or n e thing

+1

Ok now i feel stupid. I apologise.

i hadnt been informed it had been done yet.

Also i may re think the on demands to something a little flatter but not back to the original.

Its not geared towards regs, i look at it and feel that it makes it much more worth while playing to get a bigger prize. I think you will find prizepools with get bigger and bigger in these. Then it will give a good MTT most of the day running.

IMO - good for everyone mainly recs.

Very glad to see steeper payouts. The structures were very bad before so this is a huge upgrade. I have a feeling WPN is going to gain a lot of momentum when poker season comes back around.

Recreational players love making the money. Play in your local casino's nightly tourney, I bet they often chip in money to pay the bubble and often chop the tourney with 2-4 players left.

I really don't think its as good for grinders as they think. You need break even players and rec players to get the games running and make them profitable. If the recs loss money too fast and break even players become losing players. Eventually the On Demands wont run often.



I had the same though about how nice it is to not have to keep opening lobbies during happy hours.

^T^H^I^S^

Yup, that.

Big buys ins: Deep structures, less payouts

Micros: Shallow structures, more payouts


Everything in between find a balance and work from there.

My last post on this subject. This forum is full of hardcore players,,nits and bum hunters but I will post on others..

Recs mtt players love to limp in the cash, double there entry and live another day. Of course there are those days were every thing goes right and we score.

But none the less we limp to live.. I don't expect anyone to understand that on 2+2.

The polar opposite payout structures prohibited that. The supper long late barely pays out your entry and even the best of you have to shoot a few bullits!!!!!

Now the gi60 is very steep??

It's to lower winrate and encourage daily deposits, period....

If a rec mtt grinder can't deposit a couple hundred a month and grind micro for the month then obviously they want us depositing 1k a month(30$ day) there is no room for recs and obviously acr lacks recs..

The td knows that and are only encouraging hardcore or degen behavior chasing the hit(score).

F.F. is expensive for grinders but a 200$ deposit will last all month especially with cash back and promo points so easily earned..acr can't do that because its all grinders and no recs..

A rec loves to limp double his entry and live another day. Acr is doing everything in there power for that type of play not to be encouraged and the opposite is encourged, obviously..

You guys won't understand because your hardcore type" a" gamers. Don't complain about traffic or lack of recs..

A rec isn't going to deposit 50$ a day to try to score or cash and actually not cover...it makes rec grinding micro mtt,s prohibitive.

Why hasn't this dude been banned yet?

www.pokerscout.com

WPN - Equity

There is a reason.

I hate doing this and have only done it once before but one more negative post and i will request you to be banned from the sub forum.

Every thread is being bombarded with your negativity. I dont like losing any players but as we all know you dont play on our site. Its better to have constructive discussions than just pure negativity.

It's not negative but a fair critique from a rec perspective..

The logic is sound.. Winrate ect ect. Rec love to limp, double and live another day..

The polar opposite structures accordingly prohibit that with INTENT .

Many agree but wont post publicly fearing ridicule .
We both know I'm right but being a conservative libertarian, I respect your right to do as you see fit..

I have played acr less and less , that is true. Made 2 small deposit, s last week which I'm sure you are aware of.

Maybe your metaphorically the borgata and I'm looking for ceasars.

Really want to play there more consistently but it is prohibitive for a rec player whether you publicly admit it or not..

End of post, s. Il settle with lurking. Hope someone picks up the batton. I've taken it as far as it will go.

Well we dont have 393 regs that play the site so they must not all agree with your theory.

$2k GTD running now with 5 hours late reg.

So obviously not all of the touranments are going to the new structure, and I'm fine with that, but can you keep us roughly updated on what is and what isn't going to change? It seems somewhat sporadic.

Is it just that it's still being done? I'm seeing that some tournaments under 30 still use the old structures, all the Big 10 still use the old ones (I think,) and the ones that have changed otherwise seem randomly done other than that it was only the lower stakes ones...

Just keep us updated as this happens please!

Why is it that guys with wildly inaccurate critiques or rigged conspiracy notions always have an army of people in agreement who constantly support them via PM but don't ever post?

There are quite a few regular posters in this subforum who take issue with WPN, some more than others, for various things both real and imagined. I'm sure I'm viewed as a WPN supporter (and I think I generally am) but I have posted critically about some things WPN has done or not down in the past as well. The truth is there are a lot of people who have been critical of WPN here, some frequent posters and some infrequent, and it seems they don't agree with you.

Im only lurking.

A. It's not a conspiracy theory if its true ..

B. Most conspiracy theories are proven true given enough time.

C. Conspiracy theory is a deragatory name they use to deflect from the truth..

D. I'm playing acr right now. I'm busy..

A. Circular argument. All theories are no longer theories once proven true.

B. Specious claim

C. Remove the word conspiracy if you like from what I wrote, the meaning doesn't change.

D. Full Flush down? Good luck in your games.

QUOTE=Winning_TD;47629110]Well we dont have 393 regs that play the site so they must not all agree with your theory.

$2k GTD running now with 5 hours late reg.[/QUOTE]

Il be honest with u t.d.. I will not support that structure. I am not a desperate degen that will take what he can get or what he us "conveniently" given..

I do play F.F . the majority of the time now because the money does last so much longer without having to deal with acr tourny tricks.

Because there are only 2 sites in new York and I do believe acr has potential. I support the gi60?? and occasionaly the 90/120 late when warranted. I do hoPe a third pops up because competition is a good for the consumer or lets just say fair trade not free trade and throw in border security..

I was lurking on another forum (not reg as poster) that had a WPN rep. The Posters who without doubt played far more consistent and at greater levels were saying what I and others were saying here.

Of course with far greater articulation and they were far from recs. It was actually the majority of the posters agreeing.. Here it is the opposite..

I spoke with an acquaintance of mine. I'm sure u know him but i will not state publicly. He actually pulls a couple of grand a month off of acr. He does not play MTT, s.partly for the reasons I subscribed..

Im not responding to any of your condencending comments and to the nits...if an average player pays a penny more in rake and a dollar more in cash out fees but for some reason has to deposit less all year long..duh!

That is all. Have a blessed day t.d.

I'll pickup the baton for you.... and throw it in the trash. I have news for you, winning players go where they feel they can make the most money so if you feel there are to many good players on the site then there must be a ton more fish playing also. Your posts make no sense and btw reg does not = good player or nit just like rec does not = fish. I wish you could understand how idiotic your posts are but I guess if that was the case you wouldn't be making them in the first place. But please, feel free to keep playing in the network.

Im no longer discussing this issue. It is a circular argument and neither one of us are tottaly objective..

On the other forum it was articulated quit well by the majority. The acquaintance that I spoke of and was being completely objective agreed with most but not all.

He is a winning cash player consistently for a long time. Didnt play mtts on acr for preety much the same reasons. But plays the cash tables here and does well

He actually told me to choose my mtts here carefully and went into a whole description about the late and variance and who it benefits and why the different payout structures and people with the br will reenter a lot of times some are donks and others do it for win rate or whatever. And that even on the lower levels acr is a lot of pros and everything preety much benefits them around here..

He just said stay at micro and stay away from the long late. All tournies favor the skilled player but acr does this and that so it is a little non rec friendly.

He was being articulate sincere and honest. He also saw some of the posts and said why bother with those idiots, there looking out for there interest and you just happen to be to close to the truth but not to the degree I was portraying.

Il take his word as the last on the subject..

Well, it's a Saturday at 10:25 EST. There are OD tourneys running currently running with 9 participants. Yes, a tourney on a Saturday night did not even get enough registrations to technically become a MTT. It was a 9-max SNG with late reg.

I have yet to see a single tourney make 20 players since this policy was instituted, on any weeknight, or tonight at prime time. There are a couple 18s, but most games are running with registrants in the low teens. In the old days you'd be hard pressed not to find one of those sumbitches that didn't soar to over 30 players minimum, it was at times a little too large if you had a particular niche you were trying to establish. Now the games are anemic. I don't want to hear that there are other games going on or people are concentrating elsewhere etc etc, these are small-stakes tourneys, people play them anyways and they attract many of the players who don't want to play the big weekend tourneys, I don't think those players have suddenly began playing elsewhere - unless, of course, you mean "elsewhere" as in other poker sites.

Think it's time for WPN to reverse their decision yet? They're losing rake, the tourney prize pools aren't getting big enough to attract anybody. You're tapping the glass, WPN, you need the fishies to feed the prize pool and fishies are scared of steep pay structures, and the smarter fishies (or just plain recs) also know the deep waters are where the sharks lurk, giving them even less reason to play those tourneys.

Thank you brother....

And the other micro/low tournies have a very late reg and 15 min blind.which scares away recs/fish..

Even a decent player will reenter more than once in that kinda of late, mid cash won't cover the 2x entrie..these have a very loose payout structure..

The payout structures are upside down for the corresponding tournaments..

Im changing the on demands back to the original payout. I will openly admit when im wrong and this is one of those times.

Being done as we speak

I'm just the guy barely looking over the fence to watch the big boys play..

I just wanna have fun 2..

The gi60 also can be just a little less steep.. The same logic applies..

The 180+ late on the other hand are way to loose. Just throw in one rentry and u goto go deep to break even..

My main concern is the more are the previous 2 structure, s. Il never play 180+ so...