Hey WTD, I noticed you said these were going to be getting implemented, but when?!?!? I see that they're in the GI60M tournaments, and I recall you saying that they were going to start being implemented at low stakes first, so let's get the ball rolling!

FWIW I know a lot of players think that they should start being implemented at higher stakes first, because historically High Stakes players like flatter structures, but I think that logic is flawed/has changed now. Nobody is satelliting into 2-5 dollar events, so a mincash should be higher and the top prize needs to be a bigger part of the prize pool to be significant. On the other hand, many satellite into the High Roller, and a mincash of 1.5 is OK for them. More people will take shots at higher tournaments if the payouts a bit flatter, but more people would enter lower ones if the prizes were bigger. At least that's what my logic tells me.

Actually they have started the new payout structures in the .50+.05 Sit n gos. Only top 2 get paid no matter how many enter.

I came here to see if anyone had complained about it, hoping it was a glitch, guess it's not

What does this mean, can you be more specific? Sit and goes have fixed entry numbers, 6 handed always pay 2 and 9 handed pay 3,. what does "no matter how many enter" mean? Do you mean on demands? Or something else? The On demands I've played always pay a minimum of 3 and more if the field gets large enough.

Its funny you have made this post.

As of yesterday we have implemented the steeper payout structure in many tournaments.

The end goal for now is to have it in everything under a $30 buy in. You will also see it in the on demands.

I will estimatethat it will be completed latest by Wednesday.

Not sure I agree with this. The point about satty players in the high buy ins is a good one, but that doesn't necessarily translate to the micro buy ins that just because most players can afford to buy in directly they want to see less places paid. In fact I think the opposite is true.

A large majority of micro players are rec players and losing players. Offering a wider berth of small cashes is attractive to both types because 1) both don't make the money as much as the better players and 2) both place a larger value/excitement factor on min cashing than is correct in mtt's.

Also a side effect of paying less spots in the small buy in games is that weaker players will cash less frequently and drain their rolls quicker. Think of an extreme example... let's say you paid 2% of the field only. So with 1K runners you pay the top 20. The strong players would love such a heavy return for their investment, well imagine that, most final 20's will be populated with stronger players. Weak players however are virtually never going to get there save for running like God. So they will quit playing altogether rather quickly either because they run out of buy ins, get bored/frustrated with never being paid anything, or both.

Playing a tournament to make the money is not optimal mtt strategy, but the fact remains a large portion of weak players consider cashing for $6.85 in a $5.50 a victory and they will both be rolled longer and interested longer if they can do it.

To be clear if I had time to grind mtt's regularly I think these pay changes would be good for me personally. But I think they are bad for the poker economy at large and thus indirectly bad for the better players long term.

Yes, on-demands. They start when 18 enter and have 60 minutes of late entry and re-buys. Payouts were based on how many people entered but now they only pay 2 no matter how many enter. They used to pay around 15 or 18. Sometimes 27, for around 100-150 entries.

Wowzers, that's rough. I wonder if it was intentional or a mistake?

yea the 50 cent on demand payout structure MUST be a mistake. I love those games too, it keeps the BR boosted. i guess its time to play "grograda" only.

... OK, just checked, they fixed it. wpn keeps my biz. doomswitch time tho for my reverse implied heresy?

I have it on good authority it's a mistake and will be fixed.

I agree with this 100%

IMHO the New payouts should have been implemented at the + $20 games not the under $30

Just 2 cents from a $10 and under player on your site

Well FWIW, I'll be a lot more motivated to play the 20 and 30 dollar tournaments now. Is the new structure being implemented on the 10k?

Also glad this is changing in the ODs. I once played one with 6 players that ended up paying out the top 3... which was ridiculous.

The payout structure for on demands , I thought was good before, with the possible exception of still paying 3 people for 6-7 players, which it appears went unchanged. Im super excited that you are finally changing the payout structures for MTT's, but ask you to reconsider changing the on demands as well.

I personally love the new on demand structure. I don't want to play for hours just to get my money back or win a measly .30 cents. I do see the evenings ones are paying 9 spots.. Rather it pay top 2 but whatever.
Keep up the good work WPN.

Looks like WPN gave into the whiners.. Back to paying 27 spots for the OD's.

That I agree with. Those were set to pay min of 3 no matter what and was a product of the change to 6 players to go/insta re-spawn, with 10 to go now that's no longer an issue.

Srsly. The whiners huh. So would you care to explain why you think it was a good idea to pay only the top 2 spots in a field of 138 runners?

i like a steeper payout structure but i think 15ish percent is good some of these look like they are 10 percent which recreation players are not going to like before this i think the payouts were closer to 20 percent which is too much if u the bubble bursts ur looking at like 1.5 buy ins is just bad but a min cash being 3x or 4x buy ins makes it good for the better players and worth their time but the games will dry up without the rec players winning anything

They sure as **** better be. They change the ODs and I'm ****ing out of here, SNG is already dead the only really good game is the ODs.

OD payouts should be something like

1-15 3 spots
16-25 4 spots
26-35 5 spots

and so on

That looks good except I would change 6-7 people to just 2 spots.

One good thing, though, about them all paying out 3 spots is that you know where the bubble is now without having to look at lobby.

Goddamn you, WPN. 1-27 and 3 spots are payed in the ODs? This site is for grinders only. You ruined the last good game on the stupid, dead pokerroom. I'm done.

i don't understand why when a network is growing as fast as WPN is they up and make changes. Also 2+2 IS NOT the place that WPN as a whole should be getting advice from. Most poker players don't even know about 2+2 and the people here are the people you DON'T want to cater to. As one post i read suggested keep the "extra pay" payouts at the micro's and low stakes, do the steep payouts at the mid - high stakes; or just keep the "extra pay" payouts all around seeing as all i hear from these grinders is "1st place is all that matters".

I played the 10 cent 100 GTD last night and with this new payout structure 1st place actually got less with the steep pay than the extra pay. I'm not sure if this also applies to other games, but are we really trying to give more money to the min cashers and the mid cashers? Is this really what tourney poker is about? NO! "It's all about FT's, top 3's, and 1st place!", says the big tourney grinder. (not my words)

Min-cash should be double-up, no more no less, let that extend for as many places as it has to depending on the number of entries. 5th and 4th place do not need big cash, if you are an "also-ran" and there isn't hundreds of entries, your prize should not be so great. Even 3rd wasn't quite so big and rightly so, 3rd does not need to be huge, it was plenty bigger than min but not quite close to 2nd (heads up). Top 3's and 1st were always big enough for me, but I guess this stupid new structure is necessary now - there are so few people entering OD's, 50% for first prize is still the same as it was before! Asinine.

But the hell with it, I meant what I said, I'm not playing any more. I'll cash out to end the year if they don't change the ODs, add better tourneys or improve SNG play, particularly 50/50s. This site was happening once upon a time, DONs and SNG was popping, ODs were healthy and running several a night all of 'em getting ~27 entries at least, it was even still okay when they increased DONs from 6man to 8man, though that slowed things down. Then JPP came in and ruined SNG play. And now this kills ODs. There's nothing left here but for grinders and gamblers.

FWIW the new payout structure has not been added to the 0.10 $100 GTD.

The on demands in only a day seem to be getting more players.