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10-08-2015 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
Have to ask - what's an "ROW" player?
Rest of World as in non-US.
10-08-2015 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
I'm not sure why they don't send out surveys via email and ask their client base what they prefer instead of just assuming what we want.
Phil thinks he knows what's best for everyone.
10-09-2015 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
It's not going to end until like 8-9 AM EST. You made two gr8 changes in the last 2 days and now you do something ******ed again.

If anything it needs to be moved to earlier in the day so more Euros could play.


5 PM EST= 12 AM Russia
10 PM UK
11 PM Germany


If you make it only during American peak hours it's never going to hit 1 million.
not only euros.... I grinder starts firing up at 13 pm european time with the sunday kick off...who the **** is going to register in a major at 11/12 pm?

This CEO "looks" so dumb that makes you question if the goal is really to make this work...
10-09-2015 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by glutenfree
Well I expressed my thoughts to TD before this thread. I know they have to try something to cover the gtd, but this seems to defy logic to me for reasons already pointed out here.

First I had thought part of the idea behind these was to attract ROW players because it seems like the easiest way to approach the gtd, but moving the start time 2 hours later makes it even less likely ROW players will bother with it. FFS the event has 5 hour late reg, that won't even be over til 10:25ET now and the money bubble not til after midnight. I played last Sunday and cashed but was still done at a reasonable hour (sadly lol). I probably won't play the remaining millions in light of this time change though as I don't want to be up to 3am for a min cash, I have a life.

Second they say the move is to cater to the bulk of their player base which is US, but I think it won't impact that much at all and may even hurt attendance as in my case because any money run is now guaranteed to take you into the early morning hours. If you make final table money I'm sure you deal, but even that will now take you past sunrise.

Also I found the marketing piece they put about this change to be ridiculous.

We decided to push the Million Dollar Sundays back a couple of hours. After all, the majority of our client base is from the US and Sundays are meant for sleeping in a bit and enjoying some football. Now you can do both as the remaining Million Dollar Sundays tournaments in October (11th, 18th, and 25th) will get rolling at 5pm ET as opposed to the previous start times of 3pm ET.

1. 3pm ET start was prohibiting "sleeping in a bit"? Ridiculous.
2. Anyone interested in watching football is already watching while they grind anyway. Duh.
3. There's a reason why your ROW client base doesn't grow. This change and that comment is a bit like giving the middle finger to the ROW markets you'd like to attract.

More and more I see decisions being made that frankly, are just mind boggling to me. I get that 200K overlays are not what they had in mind and trying a change to juice it up makes sense... but the change here seems to defy logic to me and the marketing genius can't even spin it without sounding foolish as a result imo. That's not really a slag on him/her, if I were in charge of their marketing I don't know how I'd spin it that would sound any better. Probably just announce the change without any silly spin like we want to let you American's sleep past 3 in the afternoon while simultaneously showing ROW players if they want to join us they're not allowed to sleep. A change to an earlier start, rather than later, would make more sense to me.

I hope this works. The best thing that could happen for the network and the players is this thing covering the guarantee by the end of the series. While I feel like making this start later is illogical and they are setting themselves up to fail, I will be happy if proven wrong and it's a success... even if it means I play less often as a result.
So so true all this. Obvs its not TD´s fault but he is surround by all kind of idiots and incompetent people...
10-09-2015 , 01:03 AM
So out of all of the responses so far 11 people don't like the change and 1 does.

Question for Winning_TD, what makes you think 5 PM EST is a better start time than 1-3 PM EST? Can you at least share your logic here? Why aren't you guys heavily targeting the European market for this? I'd think the Euro's would love to play with the Americans considering most of us are years behind their standard of play.

We're only being critical because we want this to succeed. I'd love to see this happen on at least a monthly basis and 200K overlay isn't going allow that to happen.
10-09-2015 , 01:27 AM
Also, I assume this has A LOT to do with wanting more time for sattys to pop off during the Sunday grind. Why wouldn't you run the biggest sattys the day before? You want people to grind 3 hours in a satty before a 13+ hour long tournament?
10-09-2015 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
So out of all of the responses so far 11 people don't like the change and 1 does.

Question for Winning_TD, what makes you think 5 PM EST is a better start time than 1-3 PM EST? Can you at least share your logic here? Why aren't you guys heavily targeting the European market for this? I'd think the Euro's would love to play with the Americans considering most of us are years behind their standard of play.

We're only being critical because we want this to succeed. I'd love to see this happen on at least a monthly basis and 200K overlay isn't going allow that to happen.
TD is just informing, was not his decision. This is the CEO who one day wake´s up and decides 5pm its ok,,,no logic behind his decision.
10-09-2015 , 03:20 AM
The logic seems pretty simple to me. That is maybe if you move the tourney back it give some people some more time to satellite in. It could shut out a few grinders in a few times zones cause maybe they will be exhausted from the Sunday grind on the ROW sites but.......this isn't a 33 dollar 10k, this is a tourney with a big buyin, re entry and overlay. I would think it would be worth a lot of peoples time to stay up late if they build a good stack.

I'm not saying this idea is gonna work or help much with the overlay but with three more millions coming up, its probably not the worst thing in the world to try something out. If the tourney gets more overlay its will likely be a product of people having already took their shots on earlier millions rather than the threat of someone staying up late to play deep in a tourney.
10-09-2015 , 12:36 PM
The logic is or the thoughts behind it is. Peak time traffic starts after late reg ends at 3. We do have the numbers to back this up. I have my own thoughts on the decision but its quite irrelevant.

Also yes we can fit in more sats before hand also.

Listen, as clutch said and i say, if you go deep your not really to concerned it being 6 - 11am etc. Its not ideal but im sure the players that get there are going to be pretty happy.

Last point, if it doesnt work and we overlay more, less of a field for the players to battle through, we are not going out of business. We are trying things to make this work so the MDS can be regular tournament
10-09-2015 , 12:51 PM
If you want it to be a regular MTT, you need ROW support so you need to take their schedules/time zone into consideration.
10-09-2015 , 12:56 PM
Really appreciate the response TD. I see your point for sure, I just don't think the US market alone (at least on your site) can support this big of a tournament. I hope I'm wrong.

If it doesn't help much is trying a 1 PM EST start an option? I think if you advertised heavily to the Euro market you'd get where you want to go. Are you guys active on the Blonde poker forum at all?

Last edited by iPlayPLOhigh; 10-09-2015 at 01:05 PM.
10-09-2015 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD

Listen, as clutch said and i say, if you go deep your not really to concerned it being 6 - 11am etc. Its not ideal but im sure the players that get there are going to be pretty happy.
ofc all of us are gonna be happy. but the question is can we still play around that timing. heck i dont care if the milly runs throughout the weekend, but most of us have school/work on monday.
10-09-2015 , 01:33 PM
Yeah try something is better than try nothing, but this something I don't expect to help, personally.

I'm not sure how valuable peak time #'s are towards the MDS effort. What % of your peak time traffic that is not yet on at 3pmET can afford this tournament and would play it? I would suspect that the majority of play MDS candidates are already on and playing before 5pmET (or 10pm ET lol let's not forget 5 hour late reg). So while your traffic undoubtedly goes up from 3 to 5pm you are probably not getting much increase in $540 MTT traffic. And those as is could late reg 2 hours in and still have a very playable stack with lots of time to work, i.e. they are likely already playing anyway.
10-09-2015 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
The logic is or the thoughts behind it is. Peak time traffic starts after late reg ends at 3. We do have the numbers to back this up. I have my own thoughts on the decision but its quite irrelevant.

Also yes we can fit in more sats before hand also.

Listen, as clutch said and i say, if you go deep your not really to concerned it being 6 - 11am etc. Its not ideal but im sure the players that get there are going to be pretty happy.

Last point, if it doesnt work and we overlay more, less of a field for the players to battle through, we are not going out of business. We are trying things to make this work so the MDS can be regular tournament
It is not a matter of being happy of going deep and not worrying about what time it is. It is a matter of people looking at the start time, estimating how long the tourney might take IF they go deep and potentially not regging. Personally I think most people would be turned off by this start time but I hope I am wrong.
10-09-2015 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Pagasses...
not only euros.... I grinder starts firing up at 13 pm european time with the sunday kick off...who the **** is going to register in a major at 11/12 pm?
Well put

The start at 1 PM ET would be great for ROW, but taking the American peak consideration into account, the old starting time (3 PM) looks like a reasonable compromise.

Casual players still need to get some sleep before work if they run semi-deep (a win of several K is not life-changing). So the start shouldn't really be later than 3 PM.

Last edited by coon74; 10-09-2015 at 04:11 PM.
10-09-2015 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CastleFrank13
It is not a matter of being happy of going deep and not worrying about what time it is. It is a matter of people looking at the start time, estimating how long the tourney might take IF they go deep and potentially not regging. Personally I think most people would be turned off by this start time but I hope I am wrong.
exactly so this
10-09-2015 , 04:42 PM
What irritates me is, I was already IN the tournament, and they changed the start time.

It's one thing to say, future tournaments will be at 5 instead of 3.

Changing tournaments after people have started registering already is not cool. You're changing the terms after the sale.
10-09-2015 , 06:12 PM
If you were registered before hand and do not wish to play i will happily refund you
10-09-2015 , 08:19 PM
I wanted to play and intend to play. That does not change the fact that you still changed the terms AFTER the sale.
10-09-2015 , 09:07 PM
Yeh if it's true that it runs 12 hours or so, that wouldn't work for me with my job

Really think a 1-3pm start is ideal
10-10-2015 , 05:04 PM
I just got an email blast about the change, in it the email says:

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Our players asked for it and they got it! We are moving our Million Dollar Sundays this month (October 11th, 18th and 25th) from 3pm ET to 5pm ET.
I call BS. Who asked for it? Not the Euros, later is worse for them. Not most Americans as later is more problematic for people with a job on Monday or who are not fully nocturnal. The feedback in this thread has been overwhelmingly negative regarding this change.
10-10-2015 , 05:14 PM
i like the change
10-10-2015 , 06:39 PM
I like the change aswell... gl to those playing tmrwa..
10-10-2015 , 11:29 PM
I hope this encourages less EU grinders to play, that would be awesome.
10-11-2015 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
I hope this encourages less EU grinders to play, that would be awesome.
Yep, only positive thing coming out of moving the milly back

      
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