After spending a few hours reading about the Beast, and having a month and a half of free time, I have decided to make a run at it starting today. It's probably a fool's errand, but I have to see for myself if I can do it.

I personally don't see why there is so much negativity towards Owen (Mamacoolj). He is a *fantastic* instructor (I have learned a lot from his vids), and seems honest in his assessments of the Beast. I hate the idea of the Beast, but really, what else is there? I tried Bovada and HATED the 4 tabling and not knowing who you are playing, while the cashier issues on Merge probably gave me an ulcer. So I guess it's time to throw in the towel and try to "tame the beast".

If anybody would like to know my handle on WPN, PM me.

I don't think there is any negativity to him on a personal level. But his assessments of The Beast are pretty ridiculous. And I've really got no interest whatsoever in watching a training video of his..

Good luck and stuff.

I think Owen's assessments are more right than the current popular consensus. I also think there will be a way for us to prove/deny this in the future.


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Kahn

What site does he instruct for?

Why are you telling us this. If you learned a lot from mamacooljay's videos then you're gonna lose money even faster than you have been.

Where can you find his thoughts on how to tame the beast?

1) Play every table you possibly can for ~90 hr a week.

2) Dont get crushed playing the games

EZ Game

truth!

he's bad. i went to his website where he had a blog that actually bragged about how much he was losing! pathetic. so what if he makes $20k/month from the Beast and wins BBJ's in some sort of Faustian bargain... the dude loses money at the actual game! clearly he doesn't know what he's talking about!

There is a way to confirm/deny this if you use tracking software. Filter for hands you saw the flop and hands you won and multiply this number of hands by 0.25 which is how much you lost to The Beast fee. The caveat to this is it doesn't measure your contribution as calculated by the network, it measures how much you lost to the fee that is taken out of every hand that goes to flop. Therefore when we do see the numbers provided by the site, I doubt they will give an accurate reflection of what we are actually losing to this fee.

During the 2 week period I played The Beast tables I put in a little over 3k hands at 25nl. I lost $63.25 in fees taken from the hands I won. What did I get in return? $50 equity in a tournament I would not otherwise play and am probably not a favorite in.

As I've said in my other posts on the subject, I understand The Beast isn't going away. But it needs to be fixed. What is important is that the lowest stakes are getting hit the hardest by this fee making the quality of the games at $25nl terrible.

That said, good luck OP. As long as you are bankrolled for the losses you will inevitably incur at the tables, you should have a good shot at putting in some high volume. And I hold no ill will or animosity to anyone who does this. I would do it myself if I were bankrolled for it.

If you played against him - he is easy to exploit because all you have to do is put him in the cage and he most likely folds. He can't sit there and take the time to call you down - he will just time out.

He loses because he is playing 30+ tables on software that is not designed to play that many. So he gets folded out of hands all the time.

Also he has to make like half second decisions on each of his tables. So most of the time he folds even though it would probably be +EV to bet/shove.

He wins when he plays his normal rate of tables.

He loses about 4k in poker but wins like 20k in rakeback+ beast bonus.

It's completely stupid how the beast is set up but it is worth it for 16k profit a month.