This guy doesn’t care about anything except keeping his own status quo & will grasp at anything to make an argument.

WPN would reach out to suspicious accounts with instruction on how to record their play, when to play, and how long to play for, then go from there.

Suspicious could be defined by a number of things, but there would have to be a pretty high bar for what's suspicious and what's not.

Having identical stats for 100,000s of hands across multiple accounts is an obvious example. Among other things. There are a lot of possibilities.

98%+ of all players would never run into this.

Sick read dude! Sorry I don't just jump on the pitchfork wagon like you.

I feel like it has to be random in order to avoid cheating the camera, no?

yeah, Persian you wrong. you might as well be defending Nazi Germany or slavery here.

Look, I disagree with you strongly on the botting/collusion thing Joey researched heavily and supported, but regardless of your opinion on that....

What say you of this MTT late registration thing? That is what has me steaming as much as anything. For a few reasons:

It is absolutely unacceptable for them to have it as a capability/characteristic of their software, and therefore equally unacceptable for WPN to dub it a "loophole" in an official tweet. But the unforgiveable part is that they STILL HAVE NOT FIXED IT.

Is this a level?

Ya but people posting stats of players where their stats are basically the same is a dead giveaway. You're just a contrarian and clogging up threads, stop posting.


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You keep going with this I'm just gonna call you a troll cuz that's what I'm seeing, some fool trolling for lols.

meant every word...but only along with the other part of my post, which you I hope at least read

This this this. We do not know the exact extent of the botting, we do not know the exact extent of collusion, we definitely can not confirm or deny the existence of super users....HOWEVER....we do know for certain that there are AT LEAST SOME (in my knowledgeable opinion, a lot of) bots that are playing high volume on ACR across all different game types and stakes. So please cool it with the contrarian “dood you can’t prove there are bots so shut up” rhetoric. We are way past that.

It's not too complicted. It should be some kind of points system, where certain behaviors or conditions are worth x number of points, and once your account crosses some threshold you are considered a suspected bot. This is when you are required to set up a cam. In no logically constructed system, would a random rec would ever be required to cam.

And no, taking a "poker course" does not result in obscure turn stats of yours converging to within 1% of everyone else's who took the course.

persianpunisher prolly bots. Why are you trolling so hard. Ok how about the tourney glitch?

Should we ignore that and not bring light to it as well because we are not qualified and don't want to hurt acrs player pool lmao.

you should welcome overlay in the huge gtd's you love on so much on acr.

No.

However, when multiple players independent from one another come to a conclusion that the same accounts are suspected of being bots after doing their own research and present the evidence, that IS within means to take an accusation seriously.

To date, WPN has taken no effective action with the accused in a serious manner - whether it be from a "tard" just complaining or a knowledgeable regular who has spent time compiling evidence.

You either haven't been following, or you are just trying to play Devil's advocate. The evidence is there, and it has been for years.

Perhaps this is a bit ad hominem, but: after seeing him speak, Phil Nagy strikes me as a third-generation don't-give-a-f&$# bum.

Hey Phil.

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUKdz58M44U

After Joey's newest vid, I checked my stats vs Chlore. He was at the table when the collusion occurred that I reported to chat. I checked his stats on HM2.

chlore 836 hands 63.4 bb/100 won $53 won 21/14

I don't care about bots so much as they are easy to figure out, especially if you use a HUD. However, in watching Joey's videos, and because of what happened at Ultimate Bet years ago, I'm afraid of collusion and superusers more than anything. I really hope superuser accounts are super rare but you never know. I played on Ultimate Bet when there was a superuser on that site. Maybe there was more than one? I remember playing a 6 max cash table and we were down to two, heads up. I had AA. The other player goes all in pre-flop with something like 27o and I insta-call. He flops trips, wins $50, then immediately leaves the table. Seemed fishy. Not sure if a superuser account can see the board as it will end up or just the hole cards?

This all makes me want to stay away from cash games and just play MTTs. There can be collusion in MTTs, hopefully, you won't have the cheaters at every table you are at during the MTT. It still sucks. Actually, I should just play at my local card rooms. I wonder why I seem to do so much better playing live. Coincidence?

I would like to point something out to WPN regarding the late reg "loophole" as it was called. When the company makes a statement that no t & c were broken you are trying to minimize the offence that has been committed. While these players may or may not have had direct contact with each other they were in fact still working together to affect the outcome of the tournament. That is not a "loophole", that is collusion and should be called as such. To called it anything else is insulting the intelligence of your customers and the company should be ashamed for not only not doing anything about it but for also not even acknowleging it. Let's face it WPN, the company is not the solution to security issues but the main problem.

The super user account on UB could only see hole cards, not what cards were coming so you can put your mind at ease, you only got donked out.

Watched Chlore for a little while, yesterday. Without being primed, and sitting him blind, I think it would probably take me less than 10 minutes to notice his/its suspicious response timing.

Can anyone shed some light on how to
Look at database for colluding going on at your table. Is there a report on pokertraker 4 to look up ?

Not really. I have a feeling the mountain might actually be even bigger than the collective thinks.

Without hole cards it is hard to document, such as chip dumping etc. The best use of a database would be to identify bots with the exact same weird stats.

Is persianpunisher the WPN reps alt troll account or something?

So because proving bots or collusion is difficult they should just...not care? lol.

You'd hate to see the player pool shrink over this? Gimme a break. Go ahead and continue to play with the bots and occasional nub that shows up. Ignition will just fine for me.

I cant remember did doyles room not show hole cards as well?

and wasn't the software totally updated from that software it is not the same core software correct?

Just wonder why they wanna be different in this one regards then phils mentality of following the pstars model