Sit n crush about half of what it normally is for the top places on a Monday

So... per the WPN maintenance shutdown (next 4 hours), what are the odds on the update containing any new ant-cheating features/fixes?

0%

the big shut down today is for of the new telsa starman avatar

what a punk simply put, how many times we gotta tell you to refund us from unfair game play

and how many times you gotta have dc's before you fix the site all who beta tested this site for years and had several shutdowns a day before it was somewhat stable where is our chek for our time

wpnrep people stick upfor him why? cuz he cares about you lol

I love how he starts the newest video with "I don't understand why Phil wouldn't immediately want to try to fix the problem and instead got mad at me." Well of course he asked why you put up the video first. That was a borderline slanderous video filled with conjecture and no evidence. You just straight up called out his company when you've been a supporter for so long.

Obviously botting is a problem(ON EVERY SINGLE SITE), and the collusion thing is an issue too. But we are turning a mole hill into a mountain here. At the end of the day ACR is overall the best option and they are throwing up huge guarantees. I don't want to see the player pool drop because of this nonsense.

Speak for yourself. Actions are louder than words. It’d be a molehill if they took common sense steps to protect players. Security has been completely negligent for a long time

If I remember correctly he said he contacted support to get their take on the issue almost a week before putting out the first cheating video. Meanwhile in this subforum players have been complaining about bots for years. They have had ample time and opportunity, they squandered that opportunity and it's a shame it took this long and a youtube celeb for them to take this issue even somewhat seriously. They brought it on themselves.


That's a pretty ****ing big mole hill.....

Or the player pool will drop because of the bot tolerance and lack of proactive action on WPN's part.

They have swept the issue under the rug for many years now. This was bound to happen.

"Meanwhile in this subforum players have been complaining about bots for years." I think you mean complaining about losing for years and scapegoating bots or rigged cards.

Here's a legit discussion about botting with evidence.
-> https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...-them-1537778/

The stuff today about ACR is mostly conjecture, and honestly this whole thing is more about Joey and Nagy than anything else.

Should they take every accusation of a bot seriously? You know how many ****tards complain about botting because they can't win?

Bro everyone on here knows this has been going on for years. There are plenty of threads of players doing their own research and posting evidence.

Joey has platforms which enable him to reach a wider range of people including people on ACR who do not read or post on here.

This blasting is a long time coming and needed.

From the horse’s mouth

http://https://forumserver.twoplustw...cerns-1691997/

Winning_TD says, “Before you sit here and think security and I are useless we send a warning email when its a first offence. However we don’t sit there and look out for things unless someone reports it.”

So even after a warning is sent (LOL) there is admittedly no active monitoring. This is much different than the **** going down on other sites

Just because people think certain users are bots doesn't mean they are. People act like Joey making YouTube about this somehow validates that opinion. It doesn't.

I've seen probably every crusher be accused of botting/cheating. That's what happens. That's why you need REAL evidence to actually start banning people.

This is in regards to seat scripting (Which I don't think Pokerstars has even banned). Either way, I think their policy is reasonable for that.

They have had plenty of evidence, actual data, for months on end, most of them are still there grinding away. I'm also curious as to what exactly you think actual evidence is if damning data isn't? Catch them on hidden camera? But then what if that was faked...****..

Are you proposing they ban anyone with weird stats?

This isn't about "weird" stats, this is about bots having nearly identical stats stretching many categories, kindly accompanied with inhuman play times and win rates.

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/...nY294LnBuZw==/

So the image above convinces you 100% that all of the users are bots?

Look, all I'm saying is that this is a very complicated issue. Even if ACR could detect every single bot it wouldn't really matter. Someone will just manually do what the bot tells it to do, or the bots would just get better. I mean that's what a person who understands a HUD well does, right? Everyone who takes an understands a poker course should have similar stats, yes? I could be totally ignorant on this and would love to hear a legit view from someone who actually knows how this detection stuff works (or if it even exists).

But whether we like it or not bots and software assistants are gonna be there. I don't think that jumping ship because there are a few micro stakes bots is a rational stance to take. Am I disappointed in ACR's initial response? sure, a little. But at the end of the day there are still plenty PEOPLE who make money on the site and who always get paid... at least for now.

That is why the only way going forward is webcam imo for suspected accounts. If someone does what a bot tells it to do it will stand out when they then have to play a webcam session with 360 degrees of view point. The play/timing will diverge significantly to a trained eye if they were getting illegal assistance.

I initially laughed this off in another thread, but it seems to be a popular opinion. Would there be a "proctor" like they do for online universities? Are accounts randomly recorded? Do I only need it up in specific instances (I.e. when some rando accuses me)? Is this another creepy privacy thing that will deter players more than microstakes bots?

It should also be noted though, that there aren't bots just at micros, bots have been caught at other sites and beating limits way higher than micros. Also everyone that takes a poker course, even the same exact poker course will not have the same stats. I am still making money, and also get called a bot, this doesn't mean that they don't exist and aren't a very serious problem for the poker community as a whole.

I agree also that I don't think webcams are a great solution, as they just seem like too big of a barrier/annoyance for the casual player.

Ya except you seem to not know that bots have been talked about over and over and over again for the last 2 years I've been playing on WPN and from other posters the talk of bots was going on before that. So you don't know what you are talking about......

People talk about a lot of ****. Doesn't make any of it true. One of my friends been telling me about the deep-state for years, THEY MUST BE RIGHT!