Since weve seen a nice PR polished response from WPN, i am going to tell you all something you probably already know; nothing is going to change.

Perhaps you are asking yourself why none of the bitching and moaning you continue to do on here results in nothing but undelivered promises from wpn.

Psstt, ill tell you a secret.... its because you continue to play on there and they continue to make money. Now, if you withdrew your bankroll and stopped generating rake, maybe theyd listen and make changes. Unfortunately, i fear that wont happen and nothing will change.

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Mucked cards - coding that can be done in the next update within 24 hours.

Bot detecting software - detection software that finds timing and sizing constants. Also can be coded and done in the next update within 24 hours.

There have been posts regarding bots and mucked hands on this forum for over 3 years. It seems like WPN cares now that Joey has made it public. Did they care then?

What planet are you from that you state as fact that they can make changes that fast on outdated infrastructure?

Hopefully when wpn 2.0 is released they can have a faster turn around but until then that's a ridiculous assumption

Well, maybe there is an argument to be said that if the software was so old and clunky maybe they should have done something about it a long time ago? They "Updated the software" what, 5 years ago? I think the phrase used was put lipstick on a pig.

I can say his statement is absurd while still agreeing things need to be changed (which I do)

Sure, paratrooper is speaking in hyperboles by saying it can be done in the next 24 hours. But I think his point is mucked cards and bot detecting have been additions to the software that have been requested for years now. And WPN still doesn’t have those “capabilities.”

Even the ****ty Bovada software shows mucked cards. And even with the anonymous players, the mucked cards at least help to slow down collusion and chip dumpling.

When the hell is new update going to come out? This update has been talked about for quite some time now. For all of the overlay they are currently experiencing, that money could have gone into software improvement. Which, not as much as higher guarantees and a better schedule, still helps to draw in more customers.

WPN acts like the requests are something that no developer can handle. When clearly, the technology is there. Seeing mucked cards isn’t something new.

He means passing $$ from one cheater to another

You forgot to add that we dont get paid to do your job you do sooo step up the security and better yet pay us the money from accounts you bust. Stop taking the money in the rake and then closing accounts and taking that $$ too haha win win for them we all loose! Crazy

Oh here comes the home town boy TRASH ! HAHA WPN dont care bro you know it and I know it !! THEY MAKE MORE MONEY by having bots and then better yet you complaining and them closing the account and taking the money! GOOD DAY SIR

Pretty much this. I wish everyone pulled their $ off. Then they’d get their act together. Or not. Who cares.

They don’t care. Only now that people finally see the issues are they “caring”

Let’s be real. Once legalized online poker hits more and more states their market closes and gets smaller. They want to rake in as much cash as they can before that happens. My guess is that is why they don’t want to invest and spend more $. They probably have another 2-5 years before it diminishes. Once NY and CA get poker, there goes a lot of the pool.

Thrash, I'm interested in your opinion of botting / colluding on WPN because you put in a lot of volume on the site and I think you or MysticRiver or MissOracle would have noticed patterns or things that are sketchy. I am not a reg, but go through spurts where i put in a lot of volume for a couple of weeks then don't even log in because it's not my day job.

This is not looking good.

I was going to make this point exactly. It's not as if WPN doesn't have the money; it's a matter of priorities.

sad but true

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I believe there is botting on wpn but I believe that for all sites at the moment. I have personally submitted reports to their security team that have been both successful in getting accounts closed and unsuccessful. I have also gotten a few collusion rings in sngs shutdown. I don't play enough mtts to give a good take on those, that being said people have tried to chat since the dawn of man.

I honestly believe the solution going forward is wpn institutes the same policy as stars for suspect accounts which requires them to have 360 degrees of webcam play to compare past play with current play. I feel most other measures will be Band-Aids due to bots evolving to beat new security standards. I'm assuming this change won't happen overnight as I'd assume it'd require specialists but I hope it will eventually come

Thrash let’s be real. WPN will hope this will blow over. They won’t change ****

The Degens will continue to play. Some people will stop. But ultimately nothing will change.

Phil Nagy is a vampire sucking every dollar he can out of the US market while he can.

I believe enough markets will leave stars to make up for that (Australia/Israel) but that's another discussion

There needs to be a thread dedicated to outing suspended accounts.

Doing everything behind closed doors doesn't work anymore. The lack of transparency is absurd. Let us know what security has done, is doing, and will do in the future, on a public platform.

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What accounts have been successful in getting closed down??

Is this the former SNG bot ring that is alleged to be back with new accounts and similar play style now??

Joey,

I speak for myself and a bunch of friends,Thanks!

I have been severely affected by the HUSNG bot ring that were all removed(just not publicly announced), I was in the very top percentile for volume for 3 years(sngs) and have been actively trying to bring discussion to this situation for a number of years.

This entire outdated process of sites being closed door but yet want the open public to do there work is insane

I look at your video and I don't see a loser butthurt I see the same look that was coming from the reflection of my own laptop many nights after getting cheated by unfair gameplay

My group of poker friends all can feel the realness and helplessness we lived it

Again Thanks!

ShadoVVChaser playing still playing MTTs, reported weeks ago.

https://gyazo.com/43300129fcfd3394de2cb2ed4072613f

there were a few more names that came up that I added but that was a 6 max hyper collusion ring. I sold my computer (moving) and had to get that from someone else.

I can't comment if they are back playing but as of 90 days ago or so (last time I was actively playing) they weren't around.

Every single player had a unique country (obviously fake), I saw everything from UK, Canada, Russia, Belarus, Sweden, Switzerland, Czech and I forget what else.

There will undoubtedly be a majority of players that continue to play.

However, this is large enough now that there could be an exodus of regs and that will hurt their bottom line.

As of right now I still have money on WPN. I don't want to leave but if **** doesn't change REAL soon. I'm out. Period.