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04-20-2015 , 01:57 PM

#326

Max Cut

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Posts: n/a

Good to see you around and thanks for the JPT TR!

04-20-2015 , 03:18 PM

#327

king acehole

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 507

Thanks for posting LOLRussians.

Were you able to get tournament results to import pt4? Can't seem to get finishes recorded.

04-20-2015 , 03:29 PM

#328

p2 dog, p2

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 7,536

what multipliers offer the ability to chop???

04-20-2015 , 03:36 PM

#329

Max Cut

Guest

Posts: n/a

Quote:

Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2

what multipliers offer the ability to chop???

2500x, 200x, 100x

04-20-2015 , 03:48 PM

#330

LOLRussians

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,381

Quote:

Originally Posted by king acehole

Thanks for posting LOLRussians.

Were you able to get tournament results to import pt4? Can't seem to get finishes recorded.

Hi King... Unfortunately as of now can't per PT4 (kraada) log tourney results, has something to do with it's not on the hand history or something like that if I'm recalling correctly.. I've submitted a ticket and hand history to them, also hoping they can get PT4 stats to line up with Villian (3 seat preferred) for WPN

04-20-2015 , 03:59 PM

#331

glutenfree

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,766

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOLRussians

Correct, they can't because the critical data isn't in the hand history... finish position and prize pool/payouts. I believe leading up to the launch WPN Rep said they know this and will work on it.

At the risk of being repetitive, I will suggest again to WPN: Create a tournament summary file that writes every time the player busts out/wins. This should be relatively easy to do (I'd think). The summary file should include critical data like:

TID
Finish position
Payout
# of players (at time of bust out in the event of a late reg mtt)

Once we are getting that data in a summary file, I'm sure the PT/HM guys could have an update in short order to read it and automate our MTT/SNG/Jackpot tracking.

04-20-2015 , 04:26 PM

#332

LOLRussians

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,381

@WPN Rep:

The JPS multiplyers does not seem to be working correctly.... Yesterday's games seems I received .5428 per game ($2). I'm silver level right now and should be (1.5 multiplyer):

$2 buy-in (rake 6%/ $.12) = .66 PP per game x 1.5 (silver multiplyer) = .99 PP per game

or as my wife tells me "I'm doing it wrong".... Thanks

(PS: I know this is a new launch and the bugs are being worked out, thanks for everything)

04-20-2015 , 04:39 PM

#333

WPN Rep

Deactivated Rep Account

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 758

$2 PLO Jackpot Poker is in the lobby. We'll let these run for a while and see how things go before we add $10.

04-20-2015 , 04:40 PM

#334

WPN Rep

Deactivated Rep Account

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 758

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOLRussians

Can you PM your screen name please, and I'll take a look.

04-20-2015 , 04:57 PM

#335

STLNolaWoj

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 463

thanks for adding PLO!

tried 2 of them and won both, went real fast. gonna be scary-addicting lol

04-20-2015 , 06:05 PM

#336

BeerBottlez

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,909

Gonna fire on some PLO ones here shortly to test them out but I wish you guys mixed the stakes up going with with $5 and $20 for them instead of the same buyins as the NL ones.

04-20-2015 , 07:05 PM

#337

trade2win

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 583

Is there anyway to verify that the actual odds posted for the multipiers are actually the odds players are getting?

04-20-2015 , 07:13 PM

#338

BeerBottlez

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,909

Quote:

Originally Posted by trade2win

Is there anyway to verify that the actual odds posted for the multipiers are actually the odds players are getting?

You have the networks word on it.

04-20-2015 , 07:36 PM

#339

coon74

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 10,684

If you believe in the fair card distribution, then you should believe in the fair multiplier distribution too, they're both tested in order to keep the gambling license (even if it's as 'easy' to get as the Curacao and Cyprus ones

Quote:

Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2

better reduce your table count

It will become a double-edged sword when JPTs are added into SnC: it redistributes rakeback to high volume grinders so dramatically that mass multitabling becomes viable for rich folks.

I've run swongsims, and they show that (speaking of the $40s) a twice bigger bankroll (that I think many people have) will suffice for those who'll have 34% ITM and top SnC, as opposed to having 36% ITM and not placing in SnC.

For smaller stakes, yes, there's little chance of smashing SnC anyway, so playing at fewer tables count becomes more viable.

P.S. The sims in question:

(I think that, once JPTs are added into SnC, the tourney part of the JP will give more seats but will be a smaller fraction of the top grinders' return; they'll benefit mostly from the cash part, which is extremely top-heavy.)

34% ITM, 110% RB (1M RP 5-Star General + SnC 1st-2nd places; calculated as a %-age of the total 6% fee, not the 4.5% non-SnC part)

Code:

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Effective	Specified		Simulation
Place	Finish Distribution	Finish Distribution
1	0,00034%          	0,000344%
2	0,00033%          	0,000339%
3	0,00033%          	0,000328%
4	0,0017%          	0,001693%
5	0,00165%          	0,001664%
6	0,00165%          	0,001589%
7	0,0034%          	0,003374%
8	0,0033%          	0,003333%
9	0,0033%          	0,003335%
10	0,034%          	0,033905%
11	0,17%          	0,169881%
12	2,55%          	2,548568%
13	7,26444%          	7,259463%
14	23,97612%          	23,975256%
ITM	34,01056%          	34,003072%
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1000  simulations of  100000  games
Expected ROI (with 110% rakeback): 2,47%  ($98750)
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99% 	had ROI below   6,04%	($241440)
97.5% 	had ROI below   5,48%	($219040)
95% 	had ROI below   4,72%	($189000)
90% 	had ROI below   4,07%	($162920)
80% 	had ROI below   3,44%	($137440)
70% 	had ROI below   2,87%	($114760)
60% 	had ROI below   2,44%	($97640)
50% 	had ROI below   2,17%	($86720)
40% 	had ROI below   1,91%	($76200)
30% 	had ROI below   1,66%	($66320)
20% 	had ROI below   1,48%	($59000)
10% 	had ROI below   1,20%	($47960)
  5% 	had ROI below   0,99%	($39640)
  2.5% 	had ROI below   0,75%	($30040)
  1% 	had ROI below   0,59%	($23480)
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  99% 	had a downswing greater than   $6720
  97.5% 	had a downswing greater than   $7291
  95% 	had a downswing greater than   $7842
  90% 	had a downswing greater than   $8434
  80% 	had a downswing greater than   $9325
  70% 	had a downswing greater than   $9991
  60% 	had a downswing greater than   $10658
  50% 	had a downswing greater than   $11428
  40% 	had a downswing greater than   $12357
  30% 	had a downswing greater than   $13353
  20% 	had a downswing greater than   $14648
  10% 	had a downswing greater than   $16814
  5% 	had a downswing greater than   $18663
  2.5% 	had a downswing greater than   $20524
  1% 	had a downswing greater than   $23872
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  99% 	had a low point lower than   $0
  97.5% 	had a low point lower than   $-59
  95% 	had a low point lower than   $-169
  90% 	had a low point lower than   $-363
  80% 	had a low point lower than   $-791
  70% 	had a low point lower than   $-1182
  60% 	had a low point lower than   $-1659
  50% 	had a low point lower than   $-2230
  40% 	had a low point lower than   $-3108
  30% 	had a low point lower than   $-4020
  20% 	had a low point lower than   $-5167
  10% 	had a low point lower than   $-7646
  5% 	had a low point lower than   $-10440
  2.5% 	had a low point lower than   $-12398
  1% 	had a low point lower than   $-15026
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

35% ITM, 75% RB (500K RP General but mediocre SnC prizes)

Code:

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Effective	Specified		Simulation
Place	Finish Distribution	Finish Distribution
1	0,00035%          	0,000362%
2	0,00033%          	0,000346%
3	0,00032%          	0,00029%
4	0,00175%          	0,001858%
5	0,00165%          	0,001648%
6	0,0016%          	0,001578%
7	0,0035%          	0,003554%
8	0,0033%          	0,003324%
9	0,0032%          	0,003216%
10	0,035%          	0,035086%
11	0,175%          	0,174232%
12	2,625%          	2,625474%
13	7,4781%          	7,477272%
14	24,6813%          	24,678698%
ITM	35,0104%          	35,006938%
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1000  simulations of  50000  games
Expected ROI (with 75% rakeback): 3,17%  ($63460)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
99% 	had ROI below   10,03%	($200640)
97.5% 	had ROI below   7,41%	($148200)
95% 	had ROI below   6,86%	($137160)
90% 	had ROI below   6,03%	($120640)
80% 	had ROI below   3,96%	($79200)
70% 	had ROI below   3,33%	($66600)
60% 	had ROI below   2,99%	($59880)
50% 	had ROI below   2,70%	($53920)
40% 	had ROI below   2,45%	($49000)
30% 	had ROI below   2,22%	($44320)
20% 	had ROI below   1,93%	($38600)
10% 	had ROI below   1,56%	($31240)
  5% 	had ROI below   1,28%	($25680)
  2.5% 	had ROI below   1,03%	($20600)
  1% 	had ROI below   0,59%	($11760)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  99% 	had a downswing greater than   $4799
  97.5% 	had a downswing greater than   $5066
  95% 	had a downswing greater than   $5335
  90% 	had a downswing greater than   $5740
  80% 	had a downswing greater than   $6378
  70% 	had a downswing greater than   $6822
  60% 	had a downswing greater than   $7334
  50% 	had a downswing greater than   $7821
  40% 	had a downswing greater than   $8399
  30% 	had a downswing greater than   $9185
  20% 	had a downswing greater than   $10155
  10% 	had a downswing greater than   $11627
  5% 	had a downswing greater than   $13137
  2.5% 	had a downswing greater than   $14523
  1% 	had a downswing greater than   $16776
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  99% 	had a low point lower than   $0
  97.5% 	had a low point lower than   $-38
  95% 	had a low point lower than   $-76
  90% 	had a low point lower than   $-180
  80% 	had a low point lower than   $-453
  70% 	had a low point lower than   $-764
  60% 	had a low point lower than   $-1149
  50% 	had a low point lower than   $-1590
  40% 	had a low point lower than   $-2043
  30% 	had a low point lower than   $-2780
  20% 	had a low point lower than   $-3820
  10% 	had a low point lower than   $-5528
  5% 	had a low point lower than   $-6769
  2.5% 	had a low point lower than   $-7926
  1% 	had a low point lower than   $-11810
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

36% ITM, 45% RB (200K RP General, mincashes in SnC)

Code:

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Effective	Specified		Simulation
Place	Finish Distribution	Finish Distribution
1	0,00036%          	0,00029%
2	0,00032%          	0,00023%
3	0,00032%          	0,000375%
4	0,0018%          	0,001825%
5	0,0016%          	0,001535%
6	0,0016%          	0,00168%
7	0,0036%          	0,00351%
8	0,0032%          	0,003115%
9	0,0032%          	0,00304%
10	0,036%          	0,03571%
11	0,18%          	0,1802%
12	2,7%          	2,69855%
13	7,69176%          	7,702285%
14	25,38648%          	25,38045%
ITM	36,01024%          	36,012795%
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1000  simulations of  20000  games
Expected ROI (with 45% rakeback): 4,18%  ($33400)
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99% 	had ROI below   14,15%	($113160)
97.5% 	had ROI below   12,75%	($102000)
95% 	had ROI below   11,34%	($90720)
90% 	had ROI below   5,70%	($45600)
80% 	had ROI below   4,82%	($38560)
70% 	had ROI below   4,31%	($34480)
60% 	had ROI below   3,92%	($31360)
50% 	had ROI below   3,56%	($28440)
40% 	had ROI below   3,20%	($25600)
30% 	had ROI below   2,86%	($22880)
20% 	had ROI below   2,47%	($19760)
10% 	had ROI below   1,88%	($15080)
  5% 	had ROI below   1,40%	($11240)
  2.5% 	had ROI below   1,01%	($8080)
  1% 	had ROI below   0,58%	($4680)
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  99% 	had a downswing greater than   $2935
  97.5% 	had a downswing greater than   $3152
  95% 	had a downswing greater than   $3367
  90% 	had a downswing greater than   $3642
  80% 	had a downswing greater than   $4143
  70% 	had a downswing greater than   $4448
  60% 	had a downswing greater than   $4805
  50% 	had a downswing greater than   $5156
  40% 	had a downswing greater than   $5570
  30% 	had a downswing greater than   $6074
  20% 	had a downswing greater than   $6607
  10% 	had a downswing greater than   $7574
  5% 	had a downswing greater than   $8833
  2.5% 	had a downswing greater than   $9746
  1% 	had a downswing greater than   $10976
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  99% 	had a low point lower than   $0
  97.5% 	had a low point lower than   $-37
  95% 	had a low point lower than   $-58
  90% 	had a low point lower than   $-151
  80% 	had a low point lower than   $-344
  70% 	had a low point lower than   $-554
  60% 	had a low point lower than   $-811
  50% 	had a low point lower than   $-1155
  40% 	had a low point lower than   $-1518
  30% 	had a low point lower than   $-2076
  20% 	had a low point lower than   $-2790
  10% 	had a low point lower than   $-3746
  5% 	had a low point lower than   $-4961
  2.5% 	had a low point lower than   $-6086
  1% 	had a low point lower than   $-7481
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Last edited by coon74; 04-20-2015 at 07:57 PM. Reason: more realistic sims (imo)

04-20-2015 , 07:36 PM

#340

trade2win

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 583

I'm not accusing them of anything but what if they made a mistake somewhere it would take thousands of games before its caught, if ever.

Anyway as others have posted these are barely beatable and a variance torture, won't be playing them myself. Problem is they are killing the regular sit n go traffic, so leaves players not intrested in them with little options.

Maybe making two leader boards would help one for the regular ones and add one for these.

04-20-2015 , 07:57 PM

#341

catfan17

old hand

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,422

Quote:

Originally Posted by trade2win

I'm not accusing them of anything but what if they made a mistake somewhere it would take thousands of games before its caught, if ever.

Anyway as others have posted these are barely beatable and a variance torture, won't be playing them myself. Problem is they are killing the regular sit n go traffic, so leaves players not intrested in them with little options.

Maybe making two leader boards would help one for the regular ones and add one for these.

Who said this? One guy isn't winning over a 1k sample while 16 tabling and suddenly they are barely beatable?

04-20-2015 , 07:58 PM

#342

STLNolaWoj

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 463

i am also having issues with account balance updating. played some and won, ate dinner, came back and balance was still same when registering (balance before earlier wins), even though in client cashier it was correct.

also would like an option to unregister from the jackpots in the rare case they dont take off right away

04-20-2015 , 08:11 PM

#343

Ice_W0lf

Tremendous

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 13,530

Can't you click the little x next to the game that you've registered?

04-20-2015 , 08:12 PM

#344

SantaCruz

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 4,161

Quote:

Originally Posted by catfan17

Who said this? One guy isn't winning over a 1k sample while 16 tabling and suddenly they are barely beatable?

So only one guy is losing these games? That's fantastic. Now if he will only reduce the number of tables that he is playing, everyone can be a winner!

04-20-2015 , 08:15 PM

#345

coon74

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 10,684

Quote:

Originally Posted by STLNolaWoj

also would like an option to unregister from the jackpots in the rare case they dont take off right away

In the right column of the list of your games in the middle of the JP lobby, there are small gray crosses. I've never had a chance to click on them, but I think that's how you can unregister.

04-20-2015 , 08:59 PM

#346

catfan17

old hand

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,422

Quote:

Originally Posted by SantaCruz

So only one guy is losing these games? That's fantastic. Now if he will only reduce the number of tables that he is playing, everyone can be a winner!

Um, what?

He said the games are barely beatable. There is no evidence of that in this thread aside from one person's graph.

04-20-2015 , 09:33 PM

#347

coon74

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 10,684

I do believe in that some of the other $40 regs have significant leaks, leave alone myself... what I don't believe is in that there's enough clueless fish per game, and that's even before the inclusion into SnC, i.e. yet before regs' average table count grows massively. The regs are going to either maintain a low table count and play very focused as suggested or rely a lot on SnC. There will be no way for >90% of us to both beat the $40s pre-RB (i.e. with 35.5%+ ITM / 32+ chips per game) and place high in SnC, except studying really hard and getting into the 10% of most skilled players.

Last edited by coon74; 04-20-2015 at 09:43 PM.

04-20-2015 , 09:47 PM

#348

BeerBottlez

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,909

It will be painful if regs try to 24 table these. It was bad enough in some of the 6 and 9 max hyper games if I saw a 30 tabler in them I would avoid playing because they slow the game down so badly you get 2 hands per blind level.

04-20-2015 , 09:53 PM

#349

coon74

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 10,684

There's no way anyone can 30-table JPs without timing out and remain sane throughout this year, just because the average number of players in a hand is 2.3 or so, as opposed to the 3.5+ of hypers (I haven't counted the latter, tbh); they'll be required to act much more often at every table, and they can't fold often when they're 3-max and especially HU.

I think 12 JP tables are close to the maximum of what one can afford to play at once. I've never tried to play at more than 7, but I think that 7 are close to the threshold of my mental and physical ability (well, I suffer from insomnia, so that number must be somewhat bigger for an average grinder). Moreover, I'll have to make a ton of technical (hotkey) upgrades before I can play at 7 on the WPN.

04-20-2015 , 10:55 PM

#350

STLNolaWoj

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 463

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf

Can't you click the little x next to the game that you've registered?

Quote:

Originally Posted by coon74

In the right column of the list of your games in the middle of the JP lobby, there are small gray crosses. I've never had a chance to click on them, but I think that's how you can unregister.

i tried the X again and this time it worked. the game must have just started when I tried to do it earlier

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