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04-17-2015 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2
what exactly does spinwiz do??
Here's an excerpt for you, sir, plus the author has made an introductory Youtube video.



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FAQ

What is SpinWiz?

SpinWiz is a registration software for the spin & go format on PokerStars client.

How does SpinWiz work?

SpinWiz creates a queue from all its users for a stake and seats them to the tables based on the queue one by one.

Why did I get seated with another user who I did not mark and who has not marked me?

There can be a few different reasons:

He marked you in the online list which is temporary and not visible in the "Who marked me?" list.

You or the user in queue before you timed out and the next user in line was allowed to register: we have set a maximum time limit how long spinwiz will wait for non-spinwiz users to join your table to keep the waiting list moving and avoid the queue jamming due to disconnected users. The limit is currently set at 40 seconds, so if non-spinwiz users don't join your table in 40 seconds the next user in line will be seated.

He is manually registering at the moment.

How does the sit list work in SpinWiz?

To best explain how the sit list in SpinWiz works im gonna use the example of players A, B and C.

Let's say player A has ticked player B but not player C, player B has ticked noone and player C has ticked both player A and player B.

When players A, B and C are all in the waiting list at the same time and its player B-s turn to register, then server will choose randomly if player A or C will be seated with him, they will never both get green light for registering.

When its player A-s turn to register player C will be seated with him on one or more tables depending on how many tables player A registers and how many tables player C needs at this time. If however player A needs less tables than player C, player C will be seated in the following tables out of his turn.
For example player A needs 1 table to reach his maximum for this buy-in level, but player C needs 3. Then they will be seated together in 1 table and player C will be seated into next 2 tables with non-spinwiz users. There is also a slight chance that player A table fills up so fast that player C will not be seated into it. In this case player C will be dealt into 3 next tables with non-spinwiz users.

When its player C-s turn to register, he will wait for non-spinwiz users to join his table as neither player A or B has ticked him.

Why does my antivirus think SpinWiz is a virus?

Most antiviruses look for certain functions used in a program. Any program launching other programs, downloading files, protecting their source or connecting to servers can fall victim to false positives.
SpinWiz does 3/4 of the above.
Actually, I've recently translated the sit list part into English :

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Originally Posted by coon74
Do I take it right that, when it's my turn in the queue, Spinwiz chooses exactly one user opponent randomly among those who have ticked me (if at least someone has), regardless of whom I have ticked myself, as simple as that? Why was there a need to write such a long paragraph with an example to explain it, but without stating the exact rule assertively, which I'd digest better?
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Originally Posted by MOV EAX
That's how it works, I believe the paragraph is there to explain, if you sit someone you have a good chance to get bonus fish tables.
The reason why I think that Spinwiz is AIDS is that strong regs can form a cartel (untick each other) and get a weaker opposition on average (or even a lot of 2-fish games if no one ticks them) than weak regs. Personally, I think that strong regs should be content with the fact they already have a higher ITM when seated against the same opposition as weak regs, there's no need to exacerbate this economic inequality. It would be especially grave on the WPN because the jumps between the stakes are 4x-5x, so weak regs would be forced to have way lower profits staying at a lower stake.

The argument about avoiding 3-reg games and thus paying less rake to win the same recreationals' money is hardly valid because, if the poker room thinks that it isn't earning a sufficient share of recreational deposits, it can simply increase the rake percentage like Stars have already done.

Last edited by coon74; 04-17-2015 at 07:10 PM. Reason: two last paragraphs added
04-17-2015 , 07:19 PM
Was there a level between $10 and $40? That is a big jump imo!

I'm sure the smaller guys would think the jump between $2 and $10 is really high too because if they only had a few hundred dollars to play 5x more is.

$2, $5 or $6, $10, $20 or $25, and $40 imo.
04-17-2015 , 07:25 PM
I hope that the in-between slots ($4 and $20) are reserved for PLO (Don't worry, hardly anyone knows how to play it with 25 bb anyway and you won't get killed, it will be fun.)

In any case, they don't want too many buy-in levels so far because it would split up the traffic. Maybe they'll review this decision when the traffic on the network grows.
04-17-2015 , 07:43 PM
^^^- I agree too many might not be good although we can't see how many are taking off to really give good educated opinions on it. The $10 to $40 gap is still big.

I'm all for the PLO ones too btw
04-17-2015 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Thanks Rep. Can you say what the seating algorithm is?
Meh, I don't wish to lay the whole thing out there because it's mine and I'm pleased with it

Suffice to say, we work to ensure players aren't often at the same table at the same time.
04-17-2015 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Banned4lyfe
Rep,


Will something like SpinWiz be allowed on WPN?
Unlikely.

I do have a feature in mind, though, that will allow a player to control the number of simultaneous tables, etc. However, that's a ways out in our development queue.
04-17-2015 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by samm1ch
When will I be able to buy in with T$ or CP?
We're still looking that over.
04-17-2015 , 08:30 PM
Thanks again.

Will $40s have the same jackpot levels and frequencies as $2/$10? (6% effective rake)
04-17-2015 , 08:30 PM
When can we expect the PLO tables?
04-17-2015 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Thanks again.

Will $40s have the same jackpot levels and frequencies as $2/$10? (6% effective rake)
Yes. Each stake is identical.
04-17-2015 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bm303
When can we expect the PLO tables?
I don't have a date to give you.
04-17-2015 , 08:49 PM
Do you have a date on the 8 man jackpot hyper don's?

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When will I be able to buy in with T$ or CP?
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We're still looking that over.
Which way are you guys leaning?
04-17-2015 , 08:52 PM
Oh well, as only 4.5% will be actual rake (when 1.5% starts feeding SnC), we can still say that it will be one of the lowest fees out there (only FTP's 4% for the $50s is lower).

Regarding deals, I still think that at least a simplistic 'chip chop' button (split the prize proportionally to the stack sizes) should be at the tables of all multipliers (especially the low ones, which are frequent and attract no rail). It won't do much in terms of variance reduction, but it will make tourney duration a bit shorter (and hence the waiting time for a new game a bit smaller), as when two regs are left HU and the blinds are 40/80 or higher, both are likely to click it and open a new table because they have no edge over each other with such short stacks, it's just Nash push/fold, which is rather slow on WPN's software.

Or at least speed the gameflow up when all the players at the table have animation turned off. There's no need to wait for a couple of seconds until a folded blind goes the other player's way, it's quite obvious who has won and how much.

Last edited by coon74; 04-17-2015 at 09:05 PM.
04-17-2015 , 10:20 PM
these count toward snc this upcoming week? 4/18?
04-17-2015 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by WPN Rep
We're still looking that over.
I'm sure a lot of cash players would spend a good portion of their CP/T$ for these seeing as mtts can be a time consuming process.
04-18-2015 , 01:16 AM
It seems that there is a time delay between winning a JP sng and being able to use those winnings for more JP sngs.

I play on the 5dimes skin and move whatever money I need for what I plan to play. Tonight, I wanted to play just a few JP sngs, so I only had a few dollars loaded into the account. With $4, I load up 2 $2s and win one (the other was still running) for $4. So I go to load up another, but the money isn't there. I go to my cashier, and it's available there, and I can sit at a cash game table with it, but it took exactly 5 minutes before I could use it for another JP sng.





Edit: If I actually sit at a cash table and then get up, then all the money is available (even if it's more than what I sat with), but if I have to wait, then it's about 5 minutes.

Last edited by Ice_W0lf; 04-18-2015 at 01:32 AM.
04-18-2015 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
If I actually sit at a cash table and then get up, then all the money is available (even if it's more than what I sat with)
You're a genius at finding workarounds, sir, thanks!

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Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2
these count toward snc this upcoming week? 4/18?
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Originally Posted by WPN Rep
The more we work on getting this in Sit & Crush, the more unlikely it looks like we'll have it next week.

The most important piece we're working on right now is stability. In short, it may take us longer than anticipated yesterday to get to Sit & Crush. In the meantime, players will continue to get rakeback or elite benefits for the entire rake amount.
04-18-2015 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
It seems that there is a time delay between winning a JP sng and being able to use those winnings for more JP sngs.

I play on the 5dimes skin and move whatever money I need for what I plan to play. Tonight, I wanted to play just a few JP sngs, so I only had a few dollars loaded into the account. With $4, I load up 2 $2s and win one (the other was still running) for $4. So I go to load up another, but the money isn't there. I go to my cashier, and it's available there, and I can sit at a cash game table with it, but it took exactly 5 minutes before I could use it for another JP sng.





Edit: If I actually sit at a cash table and then get up, then all the money is available (even if it's more than what I sat with), but if I have to wait, then it's about 5 minutes.
Yeah I also have this same delay problem so it must be a glitch for everyone, and yeah good work around for now ty.
04-18-2015 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by coon74
Oh well, as only 4.5% will be actual rake (when 1.5% starts feeding SnC), we can still say that it will be one of the lowest fees out there (only FTP's 4% for the $50s is lower).
I don't think that's not entirely how it works though. The amount of rake would actually be extremely player dependent. If a player doesn't get any money from S&C his rake will be 6% (minus rakeback which would make it about 4.8% once S&C is running, for those on rakeback). If a player gets money from S&C, it might be less than 4.5%. That's ignoring the effects of any long term variance of the spins on rake.
04-18-2015 , 04:37 AM
Yes, of course, the net rake % for a player depends vastly on how much s/he grinds. I meant simply that SnC is a zero-sum competition (well, almost - a tiny bit of rake is taken out of the WSOP satellite prize pool, and then a big part of it is spent on travelling to LV, where people can't play on the WPN in the first place) - the player pool as a whole gets back as much as it contributes, though the top grinders get the majority of the jackpots.

Last edited by coon74; 04-18-2015 at 04:46 AM.
04-18-2015 , 09:50 AM
I'm curious to know how long it'll be before spin to get in is added to these
04-18-2015 , 10:23 AM
$40 Jackpot Games will be in the lobby at noon EST.
04-18-2015 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by WPN Rep
Yes. Each stake is identical.
You should really lower the rake for these ones
04-18-2015 , 11:18 AM
Well, I'll be the first to admit I got absolutely crushed in these. Lost most flips, lost when I was ahead, and seemed to get it in bad constantly. I guess it was partly variance but 120 buy ins in a few days is more than I've ever lost in any form of poker. I've been grinding up this bank roll for about 2 or 3 months now and lost it all in Jackpots in a matter of a few days. I was so tilted I punted the last $30 off in the casino.

It was fun, but I don't care to lose this much money this fast and will no longer be playing these. How is everyone else doing? It's hard for me to believe there are many people beating these games..

Last edited by lookinforfish2; 04-18-2015 at 11:27 AM.
04-18-2015 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by lookinforfish2
Well, I'll be the first to admit I got absolutely crushed in these. Lost most flips, lost when I was ahead, and seemed to get it in bad constantly. I guess it was partly variance but 120 buy ins in a few days is more than I've ever lost in any form of poker. I've been grinding up this bank roll for about 2 or 3 months now and lost it all in Jackpots in a matter of a few days. I was so tilted I punted the last $30 off in the casino.

It was fun, but I don't care to lose this much money this fast and will no longer be playing these. How is everyone else doing? It's hard for me to believe there are many people beating these games..
same, got owned didnt matter if ahead or behind also only got minimum multiplier

      
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