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Old 05-16-2017, 04:07 PM   #26
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Re: High Stakes Players using bot-assistance software

That was slightly unclear, I meant to say that I only noticed the post that was deleted that didn't accuse anyone specifically, not the other one.
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Old 05-16-2017, 05:31 PM   #27
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The reason I'm saying it can look sketchy is that people could reasonably think there is a chance you are giving that software to the people you back. To be clear, I'm not saying I think you are, rather, I'm explaining the connection that I think people could make.

And second, the post that was deleted didn't make any specific accusation against any person, just said that it happens at stakes other than high stakes. While it was baseless, it also wasn't accusing any specific person, so I don't see how this is the same thing as say, baselessly accusing a high stakes reg of using the software. I didn't notice the post accusing a specific reg. I would have deleted that as well.
Posts saying "it's rigged" don't attack a reg and are baseless as well. Lines have to be drawn somewhere. Someone with a bone to pick could purposely stoke fear with posts like x cheating is gong on. I'm not saying the poster was doing it with bad intent but I want to make the rule black and white not subjective so that there is no conflict of interest. All i'm asking is people to cite sources and posts won't be deleted.

I'm open to discussion some on this and I hope this explains why i chose the route i did.
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:45 PM   #28
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Found one!
lol this made me laugh, i always type that when I'm accused of botting in chat, beep beep boop

As a side note to contribute and this not be just a meaningless post, cheating accusations are similar to online casinos being rigged...without solid proof, and a ton of volume, its all speculation (and usually incorrect/in the players head) message someone privately that can make a difference rather then running them through the coals in the public
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Old 05-20-2017, 12:00 PM   #29
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Re: High Stakes Players using bot-assistance software

OP isn't really making random accusations, is a HS player in said games, and what he is talking about is 100% going on pretty much every where online, this thread should probably be taken a bit more seriously than the normal "ZOMG BOTS!" thread.
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Old 05-20-2017, 03:38 PM   #30
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OP isn't really making random accusations, is a HS player in said games, and what he is talking about is 100% going on pretty much every where online, this thread should probably be taken a bit more seriously than the normal "ZOMG BOTS!" thread.
I didn't have an issue with OP's thread. There is little context though for what I did have an issue with as I just deleted it all . That being said I do not know what's going on with WPN's end in relation to OP's accusations.
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Old 05-25-2017, 09:47 AM   #31
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For whatever it's worth: I've never (in person) met one single person who's done anything other than lose money on WPN. Proven, long term winners in every other venue. The only place I have ever seen anyone say they're a WPN winner is on 2p2. I'm sure there are others out there but I've never seen one in about 3 years of paying attention.

I like the software on WPN, like the traffic, but only make small deposits here and there. It's time to deposit again and every single bit of instinct in me tells me not to, although I probably will anyway.
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Old 05-25-2017, 11:12 AM   #32
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For whatever it's worth: I've never (in person) met one single person who's done anything other than lose money on WPN. Proven, long term winners in every other venue. The only place I have ever seen anyone say they're a WPN winner is on 2p2. I'm sure there are others out there but I've never seen one in about 3 years of paying attention.

I like the software on WPN, like the traffic, but only make small deposits here and there. It's time to deposit again and every single bit of instinct in me tells me not to, although I probably will anyway.
Maybe they aren't dedicated to poker?
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Old 05-25-2017, 11:51 AM   #33
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Maybe they aren't dedicated to poker?
Really, I'm not kicking up dust of "it's rigged". The people I'm talking about weren't on the level many of you are at. Not even close. And I know it's a lot of you who are winning on WPN. It's just that a lot of people complain about horrible runs that never seem to end here and I've experienced them myself. All I meant was that I love the network but I'm profiting so well on others at the same games/stakes that it doesn't seem logical to put in as much volume here. That said, they do have rakeback and the best traffic other than Ignition so, I'm still around.

There are definitely more full time pros here than any other US facing network though.
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Old 05-25-2017, 01:56 PM   #34
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High Stakes Players using bot-assistance software

WPN is def tough. Unbelievable nits. Ryan Fee played 50k hands at NL50 and said how he was surprised at the level of play and how difficult it was. He ended up being a small winner. I'm sure could win at a better rate now that he knows the pool but definitely struggled at first.

I feel like if you can win there you can win anywhere.
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Old 05-26-2017, 12:41 AM   #35
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WPN is def tough. Unbelievable nits. Ryan Fee played 50k hands at NL50 and said how he was surprised at the level of play and how difficult it was. He ended up being a small winner. I'm sure could win at a better rate now that he knows the pool but definitely struggled at first.

I feel like if you can win there you can win anywhere.
Doesn't help that 50NL and higher is like 90% regs.

At least SNG 2.0 is still full of idiots.
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Old 05-26-2017, 03:27 AM   #36
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Doesn't help that 50NL and higher is like 90% regs.

At least SNG 2.0 is still full of idiots.
So how are people profiting in cash games? Is it, as suspected, simply a matter of mass volume for rakeback?
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Old 05-26-2017, 04:27 AM   #37
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WPN is def tough. Unbelievable nits. Ryan Fee played 50k hands at NL50 and said how he was surprised at the level of play and how difficult it was. He ended up being a small winner. I'm sure could win at a better rate now that he knows the pool but definitely struggled at first.

I feel like if you can win there you can win anywhere.
dat rb tho
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Old 05-26-2017, 04:43 AM   #38
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dat rb tho
I just think there's something wrong with a network if the only people who profit in the cash games are people who play high stakes, 9 tables, and run at like 22/19/13, not even really playing winning poker but putting in so much volume that they get heaps of rakeback and a spot on a progressive rake race. Is that really what poker's supposed to be all about? Who puts in more volume? I mean, of course putting in the volume is part of winning but that seems to be all it takes to win here. Have enough to make a few grand of an initial deposit and then live off of the rakeback from 9 tabling.
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Old 05-26-2017, 02:33 PM   #39
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I just think there's something wrong with a network if the only people who profit in the cash games are people who play high stakes, 9 tables, and run at like 22/19/13, not even really playing winning poker but putting in so much volume that they get heaps of rakeback and a spot on a progressive rake race. Is that really what poker's supposed to be all about? Who puts in more volume? I mean, of course putting in the volume is part of winning but that seems to be all it takes to win here. Have enough to make a few grand of an initial deposit and then live off of the rakeback from 9 tabling.
9 tabling? lul. Try 24
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Old 05-26-2017, 03:18 PM   #40
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I just think there's something wrong with a network if the only people who profit in the cash games are people who play high stakes, 9 tables, and run at like 22/19/13, not even really playing winning poker but putting in so much volume that they get heaps of rakeback and a spot on a progressive rake race. Is that really what poker's supposed to be all about? Who puts in more volume? I mean, of course putting in the volume is part of winning but that seems to be all it takes to win here. Have enough to make a few grand of an initial deposit and then live off of the rakeback from 9 tabling.
To answer your question about what poker is all about, it is about making money. If a player feels they can make more money playing multiple tables, making more in rb yet playing suboptimally that is their choice. If a player feels they can make more money playing one table, making less in rb but play a better quality game then that is also their choice.
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