This was my first day playing internet poker since black Friday. I deposited $1000 through Western Union, funds showed up A-OK and they added the $12 transfer fee which is nice. I put in about 1K hands at $25NL.

I am hoping someone can answer the following question:

Are there any known issues with PT3 and ACR? My winnings on PT3 are substantially higher than what they really are. Over 1K hands I am $13 over my original buy in amount, and PT3 has me ahead $42K. I don't believe PT3 is compensating for the $.25 taken out of every pot that sees a flop on the JP tables. I have contacted PT, if there is an appetite for an answer on this I will post my findings.

Some other thoughts:

Seems like every table is a JP table so this "extra" rake is unavoidable?

I would love to hear some other people's experiences with the deposit bonus. After 1K hands at $25NL , $3 of the $1000 is available. In 60 days this expires, seems pretty tough to get to at micro stakes. I'll likely move on to the $50 NL once I'm reacclimated, but seems unlikely that I'll clear anywhere near the $1K bonus.

Any suggestions or observations anyone would like to share with a newbie to ACR would be appreciated.

Thanks,

jethro

please forward this info to pokertracker support because I've been having the same problem with PT3-I have an open ticket with them-let them know you're having this issue as well

have you talked to support about the bonus?

I emailed support last night. I'll post their findings. In searching online I didn't find that this was a known issue.

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Fordham....I have not contacted support about the bonus. Do you suspect there has been a mistake? I don't think there is an error, I just think their bonus structure makes it hard to earn at the micros.

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What does PokerTracker say, how much rake did you produce over those 1k hands?

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PT3 says my rake is $21.10 and my MGR is $18.25.

I'm for one confused.... I see references to "25 cents rake" and "micro stakes" ..... then coupled with talk of playing very high stakes including $25 and $50 NL cash games. Those are certainly not micro stakes!

One issue with PT3 may be if you have played some SNGs or MTTs - The net win/loss may be showing a combination of cash win/loss and tournament dollars win/loss.

Budo...sorry for the confusion...when I say $25 and $50 NL I mean $25 and $50 maximum buy in. PT3 is filtered showing only cash game hands played on WPN. I am reasonably confident that the spread between PT3 says and what I actually have won and lost is the amount that is going to the Beast promotion.

jethro

This has become an interesting experiment for me. The flaw in PT3 allows me to see exactly how much $ is going to the beast. Over 1791 hands I am +52.63 on PT3 and +0.02 in reality. These are exclusively JP (beast) tables and $25NL. I am curious if after rakeback and first deposit bonus and any $ I qualify for from the beast, how the beast-less earnings will compare with the beast+bonus+rakeback earnings. I've seen this being discussed on other threads, if anyone is interested I'll post the results as I go. I plan on going one cycle on the beast.

I know that the "Sit and crush" drop doesn't count as rake.. the 10+1 is really 10+.75 with .25 going to the sit and crush (which is a shared pool) so im only earning RB on the .75.. I imagine it's the same with "the beast".

I received the following from PT support in regards to the "beast" rake not being accounted for. Summary: It is not but is a known issue to be fixed in the next release.

PokerTracker Support
You can view this full conversation here:
http://www.pokertracker.com/contact/...cket_id=147136

Support Ticket #147136
Submitted By: crzyjethro [crzyjethro@aol.com]
Submitted: Jan 1, 2014 11:46PM
Category: Database Issues/Errors

Support Messages
Message left on Jan 6, 2014 3:49PM
You're right that the problem is the 25c jackpot contribution which is not included in the hand histories. This will be fixed in the next release and I have linked your ticket so that you get a notification when the fix is released.
WhiteRider [PokerTracker Support]

Message left on Jan 5, 2014 1:11AM
Hello,

Thank you for contacting PokerTracker Support. I have forwarded this ticket to our QA team who will take a look at it and see what might be going on here.

Best Regards,
David Nilsson
Peligroso [PokerTracker Support]

Message left on Jan 1, 2014 11:46PM
Hello...I recently made my first deposit on America's Card room. I played a few hands to get re-acclimated to online poker and PT3 and I have noticed that something is not right.

Over the hands I have played I have lost $4.10, easy to calculate because I know exactly how much I deposited and and exactly how much I have now. PT3 shows that I have won $7.15.

I believe that the cause of the discrepancy is that PT3 is not accounting for the $.25 jackpot taken out of pot.

See the below HH for an example, $14 enters the pot, but 13.05 is awarded....-.7 in rake and -.25 in jackpot. I believe PT3 is only accounting for the .7 in rake based on how it looks in the hand details which is a $7.50 win and $.70 rake for a $6.80 winning hand when it is actually a 6.55 winning hand because of the jackpot.

Winning Poker Network Game #237864166: No Limit Holdem ($0.10/$0.25) [2014/01/01 21:17:15 UTC]
Table: Tantalite (JP) - 3
Seats: 6
Seat 1: crazyjethro ($25.75)
Seat 2: RifRaff ($26.35)
Seat 3: toivo ($41.98)
Seat 4: C00kieM0nster ($24.20)
Seat 5: redpill ($14.57)
Seat 6: MarcusD5 ($15.47)
Button is seat 1
RifRaff: posts small blind $0.10
toivo: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
crazyjethro: dealt [8h Td]
C00kieM0nster: folds
redpill: folds
MarcusD5: folds
crazyjethro: raises $1
RifRaff: calls $0.90
toivo: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [7d 7s Tc]
RifRaff: checks
toivo: checks
crazyjethro: bets $2
RifRaff: folds
toivo: calls $2
*** TURN *** [7d 7s Tc] [3c]
toivo: checks
crazyjethro: bets $3.50
toivo: calls $3.50
*** RIVER *** [7d 7s Tc] [3c] [8c]
toivo: checks
crazyjethro: bets $7
toivo: folds
crazyjethro: pulls back uncalled bet $7
crazyjethro: mucks
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $13.05 | Rake: $0.70 |
Board: [7d 7s Tc 3c 8c]
Seat 1: crazyjethro won $13.05 (+$6.55)
Seat 2: RifRaff lost -$1
Seat 3: toivo lost -$6.50
Seat 4: C00kieM0nster didn't bet
Seat 5: redpill didn't bet
Seat 6: MarcusD5 didn't bet

Please let me know your findings.

Last impressions of ACR.

It has been noted in other threads the detrimental effects of the beast on all but a few select mega-tablers capable of playing the 100's of thousands of hands per month to reap the rewards of the beast. I concur with this assessment.

Over 3325 hands I am ahead 1 buy-in (+24.33) at mostly 25NL according to PT3, which does not account for the beast rake. I have actually lost $65.04 when the beast rake is factored in, meaning the beast has taken 89.37 from me.

Over those same 3325 hands, I have paid 50.34 in rake. On average the rake paid was 1.5 cents per hand. The beast rake is an average of 2.7 cents per hand. The Beast effectively triples the rake at the micro stakes. While I won't go as far to say this makes the game unbeatable (although this is an interesting post from one of the most profitable players on ACR http://qtippoker.com/rethinking-winn...-stakes-poker/), but why take on that extra rake if I am a recreational player not capable of playing 20+ tables at a time and being a serious contender for the beast?

A couple of other observations that I did not see made in previous threads:

1. The deposit bonus is nearly impossible to earn at the micros for a recreational player. Over the 3325 hands I earned $9 in bonus, at that rate you would have to average over 6K hands per day ver the 60 day period to earn the full $1000 match bonus. That will not happen for recreational players.

2. Another factor which I have not seen mentioned is the level of play at the micros. Over the 3325 hands I played against 114 other players. The average VP$IP was 21.9% with a PFR% of 16.1. Over 35,606 hands (all prior to black friday) the VP$IP at $25NL (mostly FTP but some Pokerstars) was 24.9% with a pfr% of 11.9%. Significantly looser and more passive. The majority of the players at my tables were comprised of the leaderboard of the beast, so they all fairly competent micro stakes players (although I did get my fill of min-bet bluffs in).

Summary:

The good: ACR's software is OK, their customer support is fantastic, Deposit was fairly easy and they reimbursed my WU transaction fee of $12. Rakeback is quick and easy to get.

The bad: The beast rake makes the micros unprofitable for recreational players.

I put in my cash out request earlier today, I will update this post one last time when the check clears with the ease/difficulty of their cashout procedure.

What is "the beast," and is it optional?

Crzyjethro, what payout did you receive from the beast? You put about 90.00 into it but you did not say what payout you received.

Its a progressive rake race. For every hand that sees a flop, 0.25$ is taken from the pot and put in the jackpot. You get a certain amount of points every time you see a flop, based on how many players see the flop with you and the stakes you're at. At the end of the 15-day period, the jackpot does a payout based on how many points you got. As to whether its optional, well if you look at the lobby, the tables that people are playing on are 99% JP tables.

Potato, $0 not even the freeroll tourney.

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