ya that's what I meant. its such a dumb idea because it puts even more scrutiny on the security department. after all its not like you press a button and the player is insta banned. they still need time to go through the investigative process before LOCKing up an account. Imagine some rec thinks a player is a bot and presses the button with no response and a week later the same account is still playing. now the rec player is wft I pressed the button so security is not doing their job. kinda like the way things are now but worse.

I recall someone posting about misclicking the captcha and then having their account locked. They had to call customer support.

All this said, it's crucial to reiterate the term "bot" is one-dimensional.

Humans can click buttons at the direction of bots, programs, software, whatever term you want to use, which means bot-like behavior, identical stats, etc.

In more ways than one: humans using assistive software >>> unmanned bots.

Captchas are not good enough.

I have no evidence either way and have posted this before, but I was told by a very high ranking affiliate in the OLP world that WPN was 100% filling the games with their own bots at some point a few years ago.

Take that fwiw, but I have no reason not to believe that to be true and it wouldn't be even a little surprising.

What is OLP?

Online poker

Lol people here can never be pleased with anything the WPN reps post. They could literally post that they're giving away $100 to each of us for no reason and there would be complaints about the way they send the money.

When can we expect this captcha function to be enabled?

You are a fool if you think this has anything to do with WPN wanting to do the right thing. It is simply a diversion from the YouTube videos from Joey Ingram. Personally, I doubt this function will ever be up running.

Been on the network since 2008? I started as a prop player which they did have back in the day which might be what was being confused as bots through being passed along. I never heard of botting back then. The prop system was one of the first things Phil got rid of when he became CEO.

We're not pleased because we can see several problems with this captcha idea from miles away, and with a history of WPN's customer service being grossly incompetent and clueless, we have no doubt that they do not see the problems, and it's not going to fix the problem at all. And then a rep creates a thread for the players to empower themselves, which really translates to the company is not going to do jack ****.

Several posters in this thread have suggested many good ideas, and we haven't heard a ****ing peep from the company of what they think of these ideas. They're clearly not interested in doing anything to work on this problem if it means that THEY have to something. But they're more than fine with players doing something about it. It's all talk, no action.

Joey made mistakes himself, on at least some of his 'botting' accusations. Definitely wouldn't take his word as complete truth lol

The difference is that Joey has done something about cheating on WPN, which has prompted Mason Malmuth to conduct a rigorous inquiry about what's been going on here, which is infinitely more than WPN itself has done, lol.

Probably because before they give us the money we have to rake $500. There's a reason behind the bitching and moaning, just cuz you can't see the reason........ WPN needs to step their game up pure and simple, this pokersite is straight up amateur hour.

He's publicly posting random sharkscope graphs of a legit reg and trying to get the guy banned, probably only spent a few minutes searching leaderboards there for that one.

Meanwhile, thrash and a few others have been posting solid gold here for you all

Captchas have their own drawbacks, it will piss off mass-tablers and it certainly is nowhere near a foolproof solution in the first place anyway.

did that mob boss get to Nagy before Chase Thunder? damn, guess I won't be seeing any refunds

Since there hasn't been any real discussion from WPNs side time to LOCK this thread up?

I just got a message on the client while playing to click a circle to prove I'm a real player. I have been "bot checked" one other time by the site but was a different message.

I'm no computer expert so not sure how effective this is to actually catch BOTs. Webcam for high risk accounts would pretty much end 90% of it.

What format is the safest from these bots? So basically every format has bots but which format has the least amount of bots? I was going to play some sngs here but then someone mentioned sngs are loaded with bots.

I don't know who you are so not sure what to think of this post. Can someone else verify that they had to click a circle for anti-bot measures? I don't recall anyone mentioning this in the past.

I had it done to me during the summer.

My memory of it is foggy now. I remember circles and numbers(?).

That said, even though my memory is foggy, I came away surprised by how good it was and how programmatically difficult it'd be to solve. Not to mention, WPN could change it at any moment and unmanned bots would have no answer. Unmanned bots = losing proposition with captchas. But, obviously, humans can solve captchas easily.

So... cyborg bots >>>>> unmanned bots.

Bots without people aren't really the big problem it's bots being controlled by people/ people using assistance software. The bot makers can very easily have someone watch a few tables and solve the captcha/chat/play a few hands w/e.

Ha, why would I make that up. I play a lot so I'm guessing that is why I was chosen. FWIW, there may not be many people around more annoyed by this situation then me. I play vs an account every single day that I know isn't legit (it is pretty obvious) and there is nothing I can do about it.

Like I said, I don't even think this will be that effective but at least it is something. I'll want to play every session on webcam if it means the same for my scumbag Eastern European PLO friends. I'll do anything they want if it cleans up the games.

+2

HU at the stud table probably.

Seriously, how can there be a thread created to discuss " empowering " the players with exactly ZERO participation from a rep? There have been other ideas brought up about how to improve security and not one reply from anyone at WPN. How does a site expect to maintain credibility when they choose to just bury their heads and hope things go away?

Obviously the company’s culture is poor. I think their employees, particularly in the marketing department, fundamentally misunderstand the client base & give themselves too much credit. There seems to be a real issue concerning lack of aptitude & understanding of standard business practices. Not sure where they’re getting talent from or how much they’re paying. Given the scope of problems & recent publicity it would seem logical to bring in some fresh perspectives.

More importantly, the tone gets set from the top down. As shown in Phil Nagy’s vid from a year ago they have low standards for themselves. When there is no one to compete against it’s easy to be #1 & develop an inflated ego.