Everybody playing cash games on WPN knows DULT is using multiple players to win the monthly and now daily Beast. Has antibody complained? I complained to ACR and just got their standard bull**** message back. I urge everybody here to bombard the network with complaints.

Is there proof of this? I apologize for not being familiar with the situation.

do you know anybody that can 20-30 table 20 hours per day without breaks day after day for months? Also from China, a group that have been caught doing this on other sites. Is that not enough to investigate?

Bro r u just a hater? Hes got Love 4.the game.

Sent From my Gorilla Slong

First of all, when you say that "everybody" knows that this person is a cheater you pretty much lose all credibility considering you are blatantly overstating your claims.

Secondly, when you ask everyone to bombard the network on your say so, you are acting very irresponsibly. You need to present your evidence to the site and let the chips fall where they may rather than trying to form a lynch mob.

I have no idea whether the player you are accusing is guilty or not. But so far you've presented absolutely no evidence in this thread.

sure he did, dude plays lotsa hands!

Is there a rule that you need to be a single human? Because it seems extremely probable that he's either a machine or multiple people.

I seem to be getting around 0.41887 beast points per hand currently this month. And I play 50nl-200nl typically, and a good bit looser than Dult, who is rather tight due to the number of tables and typically plays like 25nl-100nl mostly I think.

He currently has 66,061.58 Beast points after 11 days.

If the 0.41887 per hand was anywhere near accurate, then he would need to have played close to 160k hands this month already to have accrued that number of points. And I would think his lower average stakes and tighter style would probably yield less points per hand, meaning he'd need to have put in more volume.

I don't know how many tables he plays, how many hours he puts in, or anything other than the fact that he gets a LOT of hands and is always playing when I do. It just seems like the volume he's putting in is insane. Especially when you consider that on WPN, there are times when there aren't a whole lot of cash games running. Morning time and early afternoon during the week, there aren't many 50nl-200nl games running usually.

Was Dult around back when they did the Beast Live thing where the top players had to play on webcam?

It's hard to really provide any sort of proof as to whether he has multiple people playing the account, or botting, or whatever. But I think simply the fact that he's consistently near the top of the Beast leaderboard is enough that WPN should be looking into it. They should look into in order to try to maintain the integrity of the promotion they are running.

+1

Very well said.

Meh. How does one really go about providing evidence that an account has multiple users or is a bot?

While I don't agree with OP that everyone "knows" the Dult account is used by multiple people, I don't think it's out of line to ask the site, who undoubtedly would have the best information available, to look into the situation.

It seems like any sort of evidence that is provided from anyone here would be very circumstantial, and essentially just an accusation based on that accounts high volume. Any actual evidence to be found would be most likely found via the site investigating, since they will have records of that account hours played, volume, IP, or whatever.

They provide a promotion based around putting in volume to win money. When the volume being put in is at all questionably high, I would think they have a duty to investigate the situation to maintain the integrity of their promotion. Regardless of if others request that they do this investigation or not.

I believe when a player 20-30 tables 18-20 hours per day, without breaks, each and every day for months, that warrants a serious investigation by WPN. That is enough circumstantial evidence to at least investigate Dult's super human ability.

I'm not hating. When Mamacoolj was winning month after month, I had nothing but respect. It helped that they provided a cam of his play. In fact, I love when Dult is to my right. Any thinking player wants him at the tables. My problem is with WPN for allowing The Beast, to which we all contribute a fee, to be abused so blatantly.

Thank you to those who have contacted me in agreement and sent complaints to WPN. Hopefully this will get them to act.

The evidence the OP should be providing is simply evidence to support what he is stating as fact. The OP stated that DULT plays 20 hours a day with no breaks. That would be a pretty strong indication that DULT is either a bot or multible people are using his account. I presume that the OP was keeping close track of DULT's time at the table in order to make such a statement. The OP should post any logs that he has kept. It's possible though that the OP was simply posting, in this thread, his impression of DULT's hours rather than DULT's actual hours.

Also the OP seems to thinks that WPN has to report to him any results of their investigation. But it simply doesn't work that way.

Of course if OP actually has kept track of Dult's hours, rather than just making assumptions, then he should post those. And that it's certainly incorrect to state accusations as fact. But, honestly with the amount of volume that the Dult account is able to put in, I don't think any evidence should really be needed in order for the site to do some sort of investigation.

I think the burden of maintaining the integrity of a promotion should fall on the shoulders of the site running the promotion. Rather than on the players. And when there is even a small chance that a player may be in breach of the rules, they should be inclined to investigate. Especially since they will be the ones best suited to run an effective investigation. Rather than numerous individuals needing to provide circumstantial evidence when they lack the data and resources the site/network has.

I know that was semi sarcastic but Ill be blunt, hes pulling those numbers out of his ass obviously.

If icanhazstaxs numbers are close to correct, 30 tabling 8-9 hours every day would put you in the ballpark that the accused is in as of now.


For the record, I think ican is absolutely correct that Winning has a duty to investigate and ensure that no shenanigans are involved with the higher volume players winning the beast.

I just disagreed with the way OP is calling him a cheater with no evidence other than the guy plays more hands than him, hes from china, and things he made up like 30 tabling 20 hours a day.

why are people picking on dult, hes not that tight, and he doesnt play the most hands

he also isnt obviously multiple people

unlike cellar door whos play varies like crazy

from bcp website

"Any player that cashes in the Beast, and/or is deemed to potentially be involved in cheating/team-play must be able to prove that they are only a single player. The burden of proof to prove that they won the Beast in a fair manner, will fall solely upon the player. Players must participate in a Beast Live (either live or private, but viewable by the House) in the following month AND must be able to replicate the same conditions, on their own, in which they achieved their status in the previous month. Until a player proves themselves beyond a reasonable doubt, that they are not cheating, players will not receive their winnings from the previous month."

I don't know how many hours Dult is putting in but it is a lot, certainly not just 30 tabling 8-9 hours a day, he is putting in a lot more hours than that. Cellar door stated Dult played 22 hours + a day for 2 weeks which if correct is pretty questionable.

There has only been ten days this month.

Disputing the numbers I suggested using icans numbers regarding this months race with the statement that one of his competitors once told you that he played 22 hours a day for 2 weeks at some undisclosed random time isnt really fair.

I was speaking of this month.

It was obvious I was speaking of this month.

He could have played 24 hours a day for a year at a past time and it would be irrelevant to my statement.

Anyways, I have nothing more to say here.

Peace guys.

I don't dispute your numbers on the strength of cellar door's statement about previous months play, just from my casual observation it is obvious that dult has been putting in more than 9 hrs a day this month, anyone putting in serious volume at this site could tell you that much, not that it means anything concrete about Dults integrity, just stating what I know.

I, I, I, my, I . . . This thread is not about you. It is relevant to the thread, and the need to investigate Dult.

Peace,

I am not here to win a debate. I am here to appeal to those regs who play cash games on WPN regularly, and see what Dult is doing, to complain to WPN and demand an investigation. I could care less if you do or don't fall in that group. There are plenty of regs that feel the same as I do and sent complaints. Mission accomplished.

An astute poster showed where the burden lies. It is impossible for me to present evidence without video, nor is it necessary according to WPN's own terms.

Lynch mob? Sheesh.

This is really stupid.

Okay, so say the guy gets caught and is banned or something. How do you benefit?

The reason he is doing what he is doing is because the beast exists. It makes perfect sense to do it. The real complain is with the beast.

And 9 hours... who cares. If I put in 3 sessions in 1 day, that's at least 9 hours, and I used to put in 3 sessions more than half the time.

how you know he's not taking any breaks? are you seriously looking at your monitor 20 hours a day? if you are why not just play the 20.hrs aswell?

5thStreetHog was simply politely responding directly to a post that was referencing a post he made. There is nothing in his post for you to accuse him of this being all about him. You seem to jump to conclusions very quickly.

You don't have to provide any videos. You've tossed around some pretty specific numbers, I've only asked you to provide your own notes on his time at the tables to back up those claims; something just to show us that you aren't talking out of your ass. Why are you so reluctant to post your notes? The fact that DULT is still playing may mean that WPN's own stats differs from yours rather than meaning that WPN is not looking in to the matter.

And yes when you state that you "urge everybody here to bombard the network with complaints" without providing 1 iota of evidence, I feel very comfortable describing that as you attempting to form a lynch mob.

A couple of weeks ago on another web site someone else was named and accused of being a bot or multible players solely on the basis that he was playing what the accuser was claiming was 24 hours a day. Turned out that the player was just a multitabler playing long hours but not nearly as long hours as the accuser was claiming. That accuser too was trying to rally people to try to force the site to ban what turned out to be an innocent player.

You have a responsibility, whether you like it or not, to provide specific evidence when you make specific accusations. Unfortunately, it is a lot easier to incite people than it is to inform them.

I've seen similar posts several times on this forum questioning whether DULT is a bot or not.

The truth is who the xxxxxxx cares!! Yes, if DULT turns out to be a bot and banned from the site, the rest of top 5 on the leaderboard may benefit. But if you cannot make to the top 20 of the leaderboard, you are exploited by the beast anyway. So for the majority, who is not playing 7-24, it really doesn't matter. As long as the beast exits, they are exploited.

It is the beast, not a bot or some kind of group play, that is exploiting our money. To me, I actually wish to see more losing bots like DULT playing on this site so that I can win more easily.

Well said