They aren't colluding until you prove that they are colluding. There aren't any percentages involved in the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

As I've already said: the sample size is too small to prove collusion; there aren't enough stats on these players to show that they aren't just a couple of really bad maniacal players; and there aren't enough games presented in this thread to show that they are colluders.

Taking individual hands out of context from the entire game doesn't prove much at all despite your obvious desire to believe that it does. The way that you are going about trying to prove collusion just shows that you don't know how to go about proving collusion.

If we had access to everyone's hole cards we could settle this, hopefully support handles it correctly. Here comes a stream of proof, gna post as they happen..

Winning Poker Network - 15/30 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Realrhyma (UTG): 1,975
maxsimpson10 (MP): 1,705
AustinS89 (CO): 1,405
brando123n (BTN): 1,715
Sniperxxx (SB): 1,045
donkboinker (BB): 1,155

Sniperxxx posts SB 15, donkboinker posts BB 30

Pre Flop: (pot: 45) AustinS89 has J T

fold, maxsimpson10 raises to 60, fold, brando123n calls 60, Sniperxxx calls 45, fold

Flop: (210, 3 players) 5 K 3
Sniperxxx checks, maxsimpson10 bets 60, brando123n raises to 180, Sniperxxx calls 180, maxsimpson10 calls 120

Turn: (750, 3 players) 4
Sniperxxx checks, maxsimpson10 checks, brando123n checks

River: (750, 3 players) K
Sniperxxx checks, maxsimpson10 bets 250, brando123n raises to 500, Sniperxxx calls 500, fold

brando123n shows J A (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 64%, Flop 15%, Turn 16%)
Sniperxxx shows K 9 (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 36%, Flop 85%, Turn 84%)
Sniperxxx wins 2,000


well thats the only really funky hand max ran into KK early

But dont the hands where player raised and player b shoved for less than 100 chips more and player folds a smoking gun? I understand misclicks happen and that they just might be really bad players, but the frequency that this is happening should raise some eyebrows.

If you want to kill this thread just fill it with 10 pages of handhistories.

I just watched that game. Max seems like a horrific player.

Some people are spew monkeys even at the $30's. They will gift you chips in ways a beginner might scream collusion like some guy did in chat but this definitely is not. Villain was clearly a maniac.

Haha, SNGs are dead!

Cyala8erloser starts playing again this morning after a long time off. Imahustlababy starts playing again this morning after a long time off. Both by random coincidence happen to play in the same games all morning. My question, how does WPN security not catch on?

Played with both in one SNG and with just Cyala8erloser in another SNG this morning. Nothing unusual to report in those games, FWIW.

Don't worry cause eventually it will be Acaibowl and Imahustlababy playing in a bunch of $5 games together and then GoldenEagles and Imahustlababy.

When all four of these names are in the same game for like 5 DONs in a row please let us know #itwillneverhappen

I believe something is up with golden and acai for sure... I was regging last night with both golden and acai in my games, they both stopped regging at the same time and ~20 minutes passed and games loaded without them...then they both came back at the same time and regged simultaneously. I've never unregged a game with them, but I cut my session short when I saw this happen. I also played a bubble with golden and acai yesterday with a very suspect call off...I have no blatant evidence against them, but they're atleast trying to be somewhat discreet if they are doing something shady. Everyone should just be aware before they sit games with them.

I think that acaibowl might be one of the posters in this thread. When we went to that game the other day to watch brando and max, acaibowl started typing into the chatbox that brando was a colluder.

Acai and golden both read 2p2/this thread because they have chatted with me at the tables and both have referenced 2p2 and that they know who I am. When the other thread was started accusing golden and cyal8r of colluding, cyal8r was the only one to defend himself. I've seen golden get accused at the table and he vehemently defends himself and proceeded to spite call the person who called him out. If he reads 2p2 and has seen this thread why has he not defended himself here? It seems strange to go on monkey rage tilt and defend yourself in chat, but stay completely silent on the forum that could actually help exonerate you. There are just too many suspicious things regarding these accounts...

So besides the reg date and registering together what makes people think these two are colluding? I had a few tables open out of interest in the background and didn't really see anything that stood out. I don't recall seeing them playing any pots together but lol sample size and most regs tend to stay away from each other in the early stages obv. I guess it's worth noting that they stopped registering at the same time.

The only hand that stood out was this one:



IIRC Golden was the sb, Acai bb. Seems like a weird fold if they're colluding...unless Golden knows Acai's hand and realizes how suspicious it would seem (if support investigates) if he shoves and Acai folds a premium hand. Or it's just a misclick. Either way, WPN support should look at the whole cards ^ and investigate further. The simple fact that they reg. together often enough to arouse suspicion should warrant an investigation.

Edit: Don't play DON's so no idea who Jimmy is but next time don't go around screaming collusion in the chat box; It tips them off.

Yeah, don't know why we're alerting these guys without evidence. Keep track of the suspicious hands, and maybe post them here. but calling out in game is letting them know to change things up. With sharkscope tracking now it might get a little easier to substantiate some of these claims.

Some of the guys being accused of colluding have super similar stats over a similar amount of hands in my database, but they're so nitty that they could simply be buddies with a hyper nitty style, and these super nits always look like they're colluding. Could be a coincidence.

goldeneagles is dumber than we thought... he unknowingly admits to colluding here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...plain-1489378/

I see GoldenEagles and Acaibowl both sitting out in the SNG Crush $1 million GTD satellite atm.

People who live in glass houses should probably not throw stones and stuff.



Not the only time they played together fwiw.

Change date to ALL

Now that's interesting!

Kind of ironic that the OP's own thread seems to have snared him.

uh oh

Think this very thread is what drove him to cheat (Cyal8rlser/acaibowl/goldenegale). No one would listen to the boy crying wolf so he in his mind evened out the playing field by also cheating. Unlike the players he accused of cheating he actually is cheating LOL

For those of us who dont know what you are talking about could you please explain?

On the bottom is a post in the person-to-person transfer thread where you are required to post your usernames for each site you list. So Cyal8rloser is claiming to be Cyal8rloser on pokerStars and AJhustler88 on Party Poker.

On the top is the result listing for a Party Poker DON where both AJHustler88 and Cyal8rloser played.

As somebody who has played tons of DON with Cyal8rloser, this is very concerning. Forwarded to Black Chip Security.