I just read my "Happy Holidays" email from ACR and it mentions "We are changing the way you earn points by moving from a "dealt" methodology to a "weighted-contributed" structure."

There is no indication about why or when this is changing either on the email or on the ACR website - in fact the ACR website states:

"Best of all, we use the dealt rake method to calculate your Rank Points" and

"The best part about earning Combat Points is that we use the dealt rake method to calculate your Combat Points so that improving your rank is easy."

Just wondering if anybody else has heard about this or if anybody has anything to add.

i think they explain both structures on their website bc before w/e change you're talking about i think they raked rb/vip differently (dealt vs weighted rake paid) or w.e

I got the same email. Seems like they are using the weighted-contributed structure for rb and vip now. Maybe they'll eventually update the ACR website to reflect the change... probably not though

Funny how they contradict themselves. Was curious of how the new structure will be, same rewards, just divided differently?

i think weighted rake paid or w/e it is, is far better than dealt, esp on a network that's only alive bc of a rakerace.. i'm usually the one complaining about stuff so i assume i'm missing something, can someone explain why they aren't happy about this?

I agree, should get the 10/9 nits to open up a little bit lol

basically on the VIP system the people who tend to skew tighter were going to be the people who earned the higher rakeback tiers as no professionals are playing 40%+ of their hands. This means less of the rake being assigned to their 30-60% rakeback and more of the rake being assigned to players who are playing a very high % of their hands dealt and are more likely in the 10-25% rakeback range. More money for the site, slightly more money for recreationals and less money for grinders. Even if you're on the loose end in cash games as a regular you'll end up with less generally at least that's how the numbers worked out on other sites. You could argue it could kill off a certain play style somewhat and maybe it will to counter some of this.

But this is the industry standard and all sites have moved in this direction. It does mean a little more $ being recycled in recreational accounts. Businesses get to choose how they price their product so it is what it is but at the same time a normal reaction to be unhappy when your bottom line might be hurt some.

Because this is just them raising the rake without saying it. By changing methods they can market the rake increase as "changing the way rake is calculated".

ah so it's effectively raising rake, prob should have been able to guess that. ty

It's not effectively raising the rake. It's just slightly lowering the % of rakeback you will get if you're on the VIP system if you're not playing 40%+ of hands. Same exact rake and rakeback, it will just be distributed differently. (more to loose players/recs, less to nits)

ty, but yes like thrash said no grinder is vpip 40%, so lowering the rb is pretty much raising the rake, but i get that you're saying it's not a universal rake increase. i actually dont mind it tho, i just cherry pick a couple tables off wpn these days anyway

is it now contributed instead of dealt? is there any reason for me to sit at a table until my utg hand is finished besides completing the hand history?

The system hasn´t changed yet. My email said it would be happening "early in the New Year". Don´t know whether that means it will happen soon or will be a "SNG 2.0 early".

Would have liked to have heard from the Winning TD (even though this change has nothing to do with tournaments) but thanks to everybody who has contributed so far to this thread.

The change will be made tomorrow morning at 9am ET

Thanks Winning TD.
Still going to be 5.5 Rank Points per $1.00 raked/paid in fees?
Any idea why the changes are being made? I thought dealt rake was popular.
Thanks.

Same questions from me. Thanks.

dealt hands was why i recently changed to VIP

can we change back?

Maybe they'll make an exception, however, the policy has always been one account change between programs (VIP vs RB) per the life of the account... I wouldn't get my hopes up.

That said, I find it hard to believe that you would fall into the small sliver of people who would earn > flat rakeback on dealt method but < flat rakeback on weighted contributed. In other words, if you raked enough to make Elite Benefits pay out 27%+ using dealt methodology, you almost certainly still rake enough to make Elite Benefits pay out 27%+ using weighted contributed method.

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I don't disagree with any of your analysis on this. I'm gonna add maybe one good point for the grinders. If the games do loosen up a bit, its possible that more recreationals will play the cash game all together. I don't think the change will be instant but I could see this making the games better and the solid grinders will improve their win rates and that could maybe make up for a little they were losing by the switch.

The games aren't always great on here. If a live player asked me hey I wanna toss some money on to play a little cash and get some reps in between live seshes, or they just needed some practice or whatever. I'm telling the to play on sites that basically don't have or have very little rakeback or rewards just cause the games are so much better on those sites. So I'm hoping this will improve things.

+1 to above, RIP, nits.