and the fact it's fall and football season n we are coming out of summer which is slowest time for poker. but wutever Good job WPN

That's true, but I will say that there were still overlays pretty much every other night, and traffic did increase that day in the midstakes and higher stakes tournaments.

Frankly, I was surprised that it was that effective. I liked the idea, but didn't think it'd do much. I think it's an innovate way to increase the number mid/high stakes players (rather than mid-high stakes grinders.) If you look in the other threads, I heavily criticize the Beast as something that I think is negative that's keeping WPN down.

I'll also say that this probably is doing little to nothing in terms of increasing traffic for the smaller tournaments and cash games.


Overall, the promotion, IMO, is good and will increase traffic on 50+ buy in tournaments and the 28+2, but not much else. Moving the promotion money from the Beast to a better promotion is a good idea IMO, but I think The Cage is a great idea. But it obviously appeals to a different demographic than lower stakes players. And frankly, there's little chance I end up playing in it, I'm just trying to be objective in what I think is and isn't helpful for the network overall.

yea I agree w ur post. my frustration aimed at fact WPN keeps making promos that cater to small sections of their player pool. but it is a novel idea and will allow some chance to play in higher stakes games thru satelliting in

7 Day average players are up 30% since the last time I posted a screenshot from PokerScout traffic reports. I also counted 13 2/4 6max NLHE cash games last night in the lobby. Clearly there is a positive effect being seen.

Whether or not that applies to lower stakes is an altogether different matter. But I imagine that if a low stakes satty winner wins a decent score in this promotion that they'd splash around in the cash games of various stakes for a while don't you think? That is typical behavior anyway

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I would just like to say in fairness u posted a graph showing traffic has climbed back up to the previous all time low. We get it. ANY PROMO would have brought more ppl bc the site is underachieving n was close to last place.

our complaint is that if they would add a promo that benefited the majority of players (grinders will play anywhere there is rake back) ie fish then would see a MASSIVE jump.

But again it is novel idea. I am railing as we speak. I'm not a hater. I want WPN to succeed much anyone

I think that the Cage is a fine promotion. It gives some life to the site without redistributing money from bottom to top like some other promotions. But to assume that simply announcing a promotion that only a little over 60 players are participating caused an immediate increase of the player pool at WPN by about 30% is absolutely ludicrous.

Just as ludicrous is assuming that the winners are going to splash the money about causing some kind of trickle down effect. The big winners are more likely to withdraw money than splash it around. And don't forget that about half the players lost their entire buy-in. Those players are going to have less money to splash around.

I applaud WPN for coming up with original ideas to breath new life into the game. I railed the Cage also. The benefits of a promotion like the Cage is to breath new interest and excitement into online poker, not from imaginary money being splashed about. I'm just saying that we always need to think realistically.

60 players only played the cage but many more participated thru satellites as thats how a lot of the prize pool is gathered. So 60 played it but 100s if not 1000s participated in it....



They need more things like this to attract casual players. The beast is the opposite of that completely, the Cage seems pretty awesome tho.

Point is yea ppl will to play satty. If they don't satty into it they play cash. But what happens when they realize beast makes for nittiest games online? What bout when they see you tourneys with 4 hour late reg or the issues ppl complain about with SNG. Yes traffic increases, but does it stay n keep re depositing? I would say no bc WPN has changed none of issues which are putting them in last place.

WPN is like hotel that just remodeled its exterior with brand new pool. Sure first month it will see many new guests, but once ppl see the beds still suck, buffet is trash.CUST SERVICE DOESNT LISTEN TO CUSTOMER NEEDS, ect then what happens? Ppl leave again

Its sad WPN is all bout gimmicks and no fundamentals. U remember the And1 basketball tapes? Ppl doing crossovers, behind tell back passes, all types of ****. Where are they now? None those players in NBA. Bells and whistles nice, fundamentals keep u around forever

Also WPN runs commercial on TV. Only poker room to do so. And u are still behind. Obv guys it's some issues bc ppl know of your site but just refuse to play it

The PokerScout stats only counted cash games. The satellites had no effect on those numbers whatsoever.

I agree that more needs to be done to attract casual players.

I played in The Cage (won my way up through a $33 super satty, then won a $320 satty) last night. While I'm mostly a midstakes MTT grinder on WPN, the other 5 players at my table all had accounts created within the last week. The lobby for The Cage was filled with players I'd never seen on the network before like dmoongirl.

Not saying it was this huge promotion or anything but the format was innovative and it definitely drew out some new blood to the site, albeit mostly of the high stakes cash variety.

Despite some of my quibbles with their takes on strategy, the announcers who broadcast while The Cage went on via the Americas Cardroom blog were entertaining and charming. They made good use of Twitter and tried to keep railbirds involved.

While the amount of traffic, entrants next month, and media generated around The Cage will prove how successful it ultimately was financially, I think it was a +EV step forward for WPN. Now if they can only fix their horrendous guaranteed eternaments...

How do you know the date of someone's account being generated?

You can double click their screenname box and it pops up with a little info on the player. Usually Date of Sign Up, Location, and, strangely enough, gender (I assume a lot of players lie when they say they are female; I know for a fact a few who are male on there who have clicked female lol).

The "winner" of The Cage, bik(whole buncha numbers after their name) is allegedly female, according to their info box. Can't wait to hear from her after her big win.

Thanks, didn't know about that double click thing.

The Cage surpassed all expectations in its debut.

A whopping 66 players either direct bought in or qualified to the inaugural event of The Cage which took on Wednesday, October 8th. The total prize pool was $330,000, which meant there was plenty of money to go around for all the combatants.

The Cage participants had just three hours to dropkick their way to victory. Players bik6624235 ($29,947), UpayformyKia ($20,921) and vasya9 ($15,556) were the top 3 winners when the clock counted down to zero.

The Next Cage is Already Here

The date has been set for the next big time-based cash game, Americas Cardroom players can look forward to another groundbreaking online poker event on November 12, 2014 at 8:00pm ET. Satellites are already running from as low as $1.65.

On December 14th, Americas Cardroom is guaranteeing $1 million in Winning Millions, the first Sunday million-dollar tournament to hit US shores in nearly four years. Players can buy directly in for $500+$40 or find a low buy-in qualifier for just a few dollars.

For the complete satellite schedule to The Cage and the $1 million guaranteed tournament, please visit http://www.americascardroom.eu/

I have never played on this network before. For the tournament mentioned ($540), what is the starting stack, blinds levels, etc. Thank you.

Hi,

For the $1 Mil Gtd, its a 10k starting stack with 15 min blinds.

Its a very slow structure. Start time 3pm ET.

Any other info you need just let me know!

Can it be stickied to the top of the lobby like the cage is/was?

Looks like the have added a PLO Cage set to play on 11/26 for you high stake plo players, maybe I can satty in the way Swag Official did.

That's just gonna be sick...

Here I was about to suggest a bi-weekly or weekly "mini cage" or something around 1K and they're going to opposite route with PLO.

Not that I think it's a bad thing but that's just gonna be a sick event. Gotta resist the urge to spend too much on qualifiers though

I agree about something smaller, just to give a bigger chance to play for smaller players such as myself. maybe a 2k buyin cage with levels as followed

level 1. $5-$10 $1 ante
level 2. $10-$20 $2 ante
level 3. $25-$50 $5 ante


In regards to the plo cage, that will be such a fun event to rail, i cant wait

TY FOR LISTENING! VIVA LA PLO!

Just checked the format for the next The Cage: 3 80 minute levels with the same blind structure. Guess someone in HQ wasn't happy 39 people left with their money? lol

I'm still gonna try and play it but what do y'all think of sweating out FOUR HOURS of 6-max, anted play?