I know some of the active bots have been reported I am here to tell who they are and try to explain why we know.

Who:

-Eastern Europe bots:
WoodyAllen7, rolmaster, PerezzzHilton, parabelum11, Snookie1M, La_dindon (Pretty sure this used to be human but has to be a bot), fini5hHim (I think this bot might have been part of the prior Belarus ring but wasn't caught)

-Russian bots:
ringsLEADER, reddwolf, loombounty, Zadrot, SemaArt

Pretty sure they are bots but I don't have enough hands with them:
allegro88 (Russia)

Why they are bots:
- They all have the same player profile which is clearly derived from GTO-based strategies. Their stats are VERY similar with no outliers.
- VPIP, PFR (even by position is identical), 3bet, fold to 3bet, 4bet, fold to flop cbet, flop cbet. These stats are all very similar with all of these accounts while I think there are multiple rings of bots here so they play slightly differently by group. This type of player profile is the exact same as known 6max bots.
- They are from countries where botting is prevalent.
- You've already caught a similar ring of bots from Belarus and many of these are from Belarus.
- Look at the dates the accounts were created and the game types they play. Each ring might play some different games and they move up stakes if they are winning (likely due to low account balances so getting caught isn't as bad for them).
- They all have sporadic registering patterns, they avoid happy hour a decent bit and do weird time rotations.
- They don't seed games on their own but are happy to join.
- They don't play very many games at a time but log a lot of hours and know how to get the min-tier cash of SitNCrush.
- They have used chat before, and do wild plays from time to time way out of their normal (my guess is to make people think they are human)
- 6mans (and maybe jackpots I don't play them anymore) is their preferred game. This is consistent with all accounts but they do play some 9mans too.

I'm sick of playing 2 of these bots in most of my 6max games not during happy hour you guys really need to freeze these accounts ASAP at the very least before you guys make a conclusion. Help me out other SNG players I know I'm not the only one complaining.

Is there anything new here whatsoever?

I miss the days of, "bots suck, bring 'em on, easy money, they can't beat me!"

Please leave SNG bots alone, they are fun to exploit.

just raise them out of the hand

why dont sites just ban all these small countires and russia as a whole really what do they really do for sites?

I think the way you spell "countries" is all we really need to know about your post here.

Russia as a whole is great for poker, it's all of the Eastern Euro's and bots that come a long with the area that ruin it.

In a perfect world poker sites wouldn't have countries that can live off of $200 a month playing with countries that require $2K+ a month to live, for obvious reasons.

Could just be North Korea... hacking gambling sites is one of their big incomes..

Guess theres a reason Ignition games are so good still hopefully they can crack down on VPN's from these little countries and russia.

I mean if you bother to play a $3/5 regular speed 9-man you will find a bunch more. And you can add r/f only strategy from SB and limping pocket pairs from EP as things they all do. And all of those accounts are PokerKing accounts. BUT What can we do? Literally nothing.

How can you tell what skin an account is?

When you search a player from the Winning Poker Network in sharkscope, sometimes (very infrequently and with a very small time window) it will tell you the Skin instead of WPN. Like that (from August): https://gyazo.com/c0722cfd1bf7ed07a34fe55602fe77f4

Game started at: 2017/12/4 15:57:8
Game ID: 1068023062 250/500 $10 Turbo 9-Max, Table 1 (Hold'em)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 4: MysticRiver5 (9359).
Seat 6: loombounty (3951).
Seat 8: Shakenpop (190).
Player loombounty ante (25)
Player Shakenpop ante (25)
Player MysticRiver5 ante (25)
Player loombounty has small blind (250)
Player Shakenpop allin (165)
Player loombounty received a card.
Player loombounty received a card.
Player Shakenpop received a card.
Player Shakenpop received a card.
Player MysticRiver5 received card: [5h]
Player MysticRiver5 received card: [6d]
Player MysticRiver5 folds
Player loombounty folds
Uncalled bet (85) returned to loombounty
Player Shakenpop mucks cards
------ Summary ------
Pot: 405. Rake 0
Player MysticRiver5 does not show cards.Bets: 25. Collects: 0. Loses: 25.
Player loombounty does not show cards.Bets: 190. Collects: 0. Loses: 190.
*Player Shakenpop mucks (does not show cards). Bets: 190. Collects: 405. Wins: 215.
Game ended at: 2017/12/4 15:57:32

Enjoy

I don't know exactly what you are try to say by showing this hand.

The SB folded letting the player in the BB win without showdown. He is not trying to keep the BB alive either because I'm the one with the chip lead. This alone means very little but when you put everything togheter you start seeing patterns and strange plays start to add up. Anyway, I'm done here.

@Afterlyfe I PMd you.

The 2 players on the list I have the most hands on are parabelum11 and PerezzzHilton. I have them playing pretty much the exact same stats. Both from mun bucuresti romania. When looking through hu stats recently I paired these 2 together but I thought they were from different countries. Today they both sat an 80 hyper and they had exactly the same hud stats and are from same city/country. Also in the game WoodyAllen7 with the same city/country. I have an insignificant # of hands on him and have 9 max hands mixed into that as well. The concerning thing is they are playing significantly better than they were a few months ago. 1 is up an absurd amount in sngs this year 3k(15% roi). They also both have picked the same very accurate sizing in 1 specific spot that I've only faced 4 times in ~500k hands and 3 times was vs them and once was vs a hu hyper player.

If they didn't play pretty absurd schedules and weird stakes I would say they might just be very good humans. I can only say what I see in hands I've observed and looking at their stats on sharkscope. Its up to WPN who has way more information than anyone else on these players to determine if they are actually bots or not. I hope despite their relative silence on the matter on the forums recently that they are actively looking for and removing bots from the games. Its not a question of if there are bots, there certainly has to be, its a matter of who is and isn't a bot.

Every single one of those accounts are PokerKing accounts, interesting uh?

This drives me nuts. It amazes me to this day that WPN allows this glitch to be done and never fixed it. I have lost sngs before because of this, and have misclicked and not noticed situations before.

If you are at a casino and the blinds are 250 500 and the bb only has 165, once the button folds, your cards would be immediately flipedover. Your 250 chips are allready forced in the pot rightfully so of course. The bb only has 165 chips, the cards should flipup and the board should be ran. How is it possible anything else happens. You shouldnt have to complete action to the B. This is literally an illegal poker move to allow happen and it should be fixed

how can i view where other players are from? i scroll over their name but i can't see a location. i place on ACR.

+1, this glitch has been present for like 3+ years, it, in a nutshell, speaks volumes about the site.

any update on the OP? i have played with the majority of these guys. Any of them active or banned?

all active except one



click on their username, a box will pop up which shows their location and join date

I have intended on updating my post for a while now and I still plan on doing that. I've tried using alternate methods such as contacting WPN away from the public with no luck. I've learned more about the bots since this thread and have good information to add. FWIW Joey Ingram is planning to make a video on these bots and I have spoke with him a couple times.

I play the micro SNG's under the name JSpencer on ACR and immediately noticed these players tendencies and suspected them as being bots. All of the players mentioned above plus
Titamium_x
Otsasaliti
Alpofac
and I suspect Tarrget and Narzpier