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Old 08-11-2017, 12:41 PM   #151
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Re: Bots nl50-200

Oh btw wolfbook just to show you that you don't know what you are talking about here we go. You accused me of being a bot owner based on nothing. Therefore I can only assume your other accusations against others are also baseless. And to take it one step further I am calling you a bot owner despite having the same exact evidence that you have against me. And this is what WPN has to deal with everyday except they have to take it seriously.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:49 PM   #152
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Re: Bots nl50-200

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If those accounts were closed it shows the system works right?
Finally something that isn't a troll from you. But it does show you don't know squat about the history of how most cheats/bots were detected.

No need to bash WPN, let me only mention the gold standard of online poker, Pokerstars. I'll just jump to the conclusion first...the cheats/bots were all discovered by players, not the poker site. PLO bot ring. Chinese DON sng. Multi-accounting by too many cheats to mention. Poker Snowie bots at NLH. There you go, I gave you cash examples, tournament examples. ANDDDDDDDDDD it was the players not the poker site that broke all of these scandals.

So now back to your naive ass question...If those accounts were closed it shows the system works right?...NO. No it doesn't prove the system as you describe it run by the poker site works. The players have been doing the heavy lifting, not the poker sites. The best thing for players to do is, "if you see something, say something." It was the players through threads like this that broke these scandals. You are a know nothing fool doing little more than trolling and derailing a serious thread.

Here endeth the lesson.

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Old 08-11-2017, 03:06 PM   #153
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Re: Bots nl50-200

But the system does work. What you can't seem to grasp is that unfortunately current situation is a reactive one. Until technology allows the sites to be preventative the cheats will always be a step ahead. That is why it is important that people don't jump to conclusions that an account is a bot without real proof as actual cheats will just get lost amongst all of the white noise. So unfortunately as of today, players (with actual evidence) are part of the solution but players (without evidence) are actually a part of the problem.
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Old 08-13-2017, 11:24 PM   #154
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Re: Bots nl50-200

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Also if this accounts has ability to share cards all humans at the tables with lot of confidence can run under EV
here is my graph All time at WPN
A little Offtopic:

Everybody should run under EV in WPN because of all the allin hands where the opponent's hand is not shown at showdown. Don't even know how you can avoid showing your hand when you are all in but the fact is that many times I'm allin and the opponent's hand is not known unless he wins the showdown.

Don't know how it affects your ev winrate. I guess it depends a lot on your style and the tables you play (if you play a lot of CAP tables, you'll be missing more hands), but your 1,5 ev bb difference seems reasonable.

You could check that by applying the "Allin on Turn (or earlier) = True AND Won Hand = True" filters on HM, add up the amount of all the pots where equity is "na", substract the 80% (assuming you have ~60% equity + dead money) of that to your EV$ and you will obtain the real estimated EV$.

EDIT: Actually, there's no need to manually add anything up. Once you apply those filters, just write down the Net Won USD that HM shows. Then add the "Allin Win% is Greater than 0" filter and substract the net won USD shown to the previous result.

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Old 08-14-2017, 12:50 AM   #155
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Re: Bots nl50-200

Lots of new interesting accounts after a few old ones disappear.
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Old 08-14-2017, 02:01 AM   #156
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Re: Bots nl50-200

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Lots of new interesting accounts after a few old ones disappear.
Same thing occured over at BetOnline/Tigergaming/Sportsbetting.ag on the Chico Network. Coincidence?
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Old 08-14-2017, 11:30 AM   #157
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Re: Bots nl50-200

WPN's player ID pop up has "member since." It is another tool players can use to try and track suspicious accounts. I go so far as to say WPN should be doing it too (most poker site's banning message even states something like, "don't try and make another account on our network or it too will be close," therefore the poker sites know cheats try this junk.)

Of course you could have been playing a long time on another network and then moved over to WPN and started playing in the NL 50-200 range. But come on, that is less rare than more rare. These new accounts that come out of no where, have "member since" dates right after a WPN banning purge, multi-table many tables, and have similar stats to banned accounts are worthy of mentioning in this thread.

This thread is for players to mention anything big or small that they notice. If you "see something, say something." Don't let some troll tell you otherwise.

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Old 08-14-2017, 12:35 PM   #158
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Re: Bots nl50-200

Most absurd post yet. Regs are moving enmass to ACR and other networks right now so what you wrote is just complete nonsense. Sure it could be suspicious but this thread is not for rampant speculation. If someone actually has evidence or can constructively add onto this thread PM me and I will reopen.

Winning_TD or WPN can overrule me here as well.
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