Same here. I have a screen shot with 6/6 will post on monday when i get back to my computer.

Keep track of all games that you play. Then come up with a bigger sample size

also.. I cant deal with this conversation anymore. Im staying out this thread forever. Deal with some real issues.

Wait. Now that theres actuall proof in the thread, the rep with a sample size of 4 and no proof of it says come up with bigger sample size. What is going on.

****ing amazing. It could be the same 9 players registered for those games there shouldn't be the same player seated right next to him for 5 out of 6 games.

I accept that Winning_TD ran a 4 table test and saw nothing awry. That's great. I'm not questioning TD's integrity or anything like that, but it doesn't prove seating order is always random. Maybe there's a glitch that's spawned under certain conditions.

Ronaldo just provided equally (if not more) compelling counter-evidence to suggest non-randomness. Notice that in the only game in which mouse was not to the direct left of Ronaldo, he was to his left +1, which is what I described in my above post.

Back of envelope math:

Odds of mouse being direct left of Ronaldo in 5 consecutive games = 1/8 * 1/8 * 1/8 * 1/8 * 1/8 = 0.00003051757 = 0.00305% chance of that occurring randomly.

For comparison the odds of hitting a medium jackpot in SnG 2.0 are 0.006410%. So it's twice less likely that that seating order is random than any given SnG 2.0 game is a medium jackpot.

Now consider that multiple regs are reporting the same complaint...

I wasnt wrong about ghost games, i was half wrong. There are cases that it was a ghost game that you had played.

Im not getting upset, this seems to be you getting upset. Im just going on tilt from the comments that sometimes i cant believe i read.

I know my importance here, i know how much its helped me, helped the site and how much i help people that have real issues and how that has helped us grow. I have met many good people from this forum that have really good points and opinions and suggestions.

As i said, i do more than my fair share on here. If you dont like that i tell it how it is, you dont have to come here either. Another thing you may be shocked to know and this is a big one.

2+2 is probably about less than 8% of our player base.

The thing is Winning_TD you can rub people the wrong way by posts like this. I could now ask for an appology having provided counter proof that it isn't random.
I appreciate you performing the tests etc, but theres no reason for us to all have an edge/tone with each other.
We all really like WPN as a site to play on and these SNG 2.0 are a really good idea, we all just want them to run smoothly and to grow the site!
Thanks

And thanks for the math misk/Max

You have helped a lot of people here and it is appreciated. But for every one person you helped 10 are turned off by your conduct in the forum. Think about the posts you have made today and some new person to 2+2 just read them, what do you think they are thinking about your behaviour?

I disagree. I think people appreciate real honest comments. Not just a load of rubbish.

I think that majority find it refreshing but if your going to be rude with me and snarky with me and make up silly usernames/new/old usernames

I will be the same. You treat people how you want to be treated.

Honestly i am done with this thread. I wont respond anymore.

I hope people continue to post screenshots with this. I mean the ones provided along with misks post should be enough for them to look into it but guess not.

Who do we need to contact about the bug now you aren't investigating it please? Thanks.

I agree with the treat people how you want to be treated thing but that only applies to your own being. When you are on here you are a representative of the company that you work for. Would you accept attitude from a representative of a store you were shopping at? You need to have a thicker skin, some people are just stupid.

Who treated winning td so unfairly? I mean if someone who is providing a service to people and making money off of it, you listen and deal with tbe complaints/gripes/ whatever. Thats how it works. I honestly dont think anyone was over the line, if I was personally i apolagize but i domt think i was. Its beyond frustrating to have so many people voicing a legit issue and it being 100 percent dismissed when its clear as day something is not right. Now the rigged complaints yeah, i get it those are not legit, but simply ignore them completley and focus on the legit complaints and concerns.

Aren't you the guy who calls winning td sean spicer?

No, I referred to both reps as the Sean Spicers for WPN. I didn't mean it as an insult simply as a comparison to how Trump and WPN management both put their employees in bad spots. Take the glitches in sng 2.0 for example. Because the company failed to properly test these games the reps have to come in here a deal with upset people. Basically the reps here are thrown to the wolves although I do maintain that they need to stay professional at all times.

Yeah that was me lol. I mean if that makes him go into all this....

"Screenshots of the inaugural SnG 2.0 games were intentionally framed in a way, in one particular Tweet, to minimize the enormous support that had gathered on ACR," WPN Rep said on Mar. 15. "That was the largest player pool to witness a SnG inauguration, period. Both in person and around the globe."

When you originally posted about the seating I was seeing it too and agreed.

After playing a bunch more games I agree even more it's not random.

My request is that they look into this since enough of us have brought it to light. I didn't expect a fix in a day or two but it's something I hoped they would look into because their have been times only one or maybe two mutli tablers would be at my table and I have one on my right and one on my left on all those tables.

Please Winning_TD all we ask for is to have this looked into even if you were told the seating is random it's possible that it's not. Accidents happen in the coding or can always be improved. It's sort of like with Jackpots when they wouldn't sit the same guy at my table for more then a few games only that isn't as big of a deal in 9 mans but where we are seated can be.

Some people go about it posting in an assertive manner giving you more then you should take in where it clearly stresses you out. People also are trolling at times nit picking at things in a joking manner because of past fails and I'm sure it frustrates you/the network, but with serious concerns if enough people are seeing a potential issue it's worth having it looked into.

For now I say Winning_TD you go have a few drinks or do something to get relaxation. A week off would be a long time and most people who say that might not post for a week but they will still read comments because they can't stay away, it's human nature.

A lot of people realize that many things are way out of your control, or if they don't realize it then they should but the people hate to be ignored as well.

I'm not saying you are doing that but maybe their are better ways to go about things such as creating a thread trying to get weekly updates on the status of the most common issues and questions people where you post them and immediately lock the thread so nobody can clutter it up.

This would be the go to where we can send a person who don't read 5 posts up to see their question has already been answered.

The seating is not random. I've played about 50 of these and a lot of the time I have the same person to my left. I'm not sure how many people have to show concern for this manner for it to be taken seriously.

I've played about 200 of these and never noticed anything wrong with the seating. If your push/fold game is solid, it really wouldn't make much of a difference in your winrate anyways. These do have bugs though, so if it does come out that there's inconsistency with seating, I wouldn't be surprised.

I did notice the 4 ghost games that were stuck in my client a few days ago. I play 10 games at a time so I have no clue if I was charged for the games or not. I do know that my balance was unchanged after they "fixed" the issue with them. I received no reimbursement. I have to trust that the cashier is working properly. Its hard to trust the integrity of the cashier when there's been so many bugs and ongoing issues with the rest of the software. Buggy software and people getting charged for tournaments that dont run or bug out in some way does not give players a good feeling about your site.

Another thing I've noticed, the box that pops up after a game is complete asking you if you want to register for another game. Yeah, well, I click yes and it only works about half the time. The other half of the time I have to register for a new one manually. Not a huge deal but its yet another bug that still exists.

Last thing. Knowing how many places are being paid at each table is CRITICAL information in this format. Please for the love of god remove the payout table from underneath my god damned hole cards so I can make proper decisions. If that's too much programming to change for now, can you at least put the number of places paid somewhere else visible on the table? 2ball, 3ball, etc. I've had to make countless plays based on information I don't have which I should have. Its not a huge deal in the $5's but moving up in stakes this would start to get even more important. It should not be impossible to know how many places are being paid while you're trying to make push/fold decisions. I know this is an issue that's been discussed already but for something this critical, its frankly taking too damn long to get worked out.

I don't know if this been mentioned and happened to someone else as well but I was talking in chatbox with 5 players remaining and UTG went all in. I was next to act and right when it was my turn to act I hit enter to send msg in chatbox and it insta MIN raised his all is which SUCKED!

I had like a 3.55k stack (UTG pushed for 1.4k) then right when I hit "enter" boom it MIN raised to 2.8k (I had Q8o btw smh) then unlucky to me the next guy to act 4bet shoved for like 4k and thus only having like 750 remaining I couldn't fold and obviously I was dominated and lost.

Luckily we got like 4 green cards so 6 players I believe got ITM (I haven't played much so not sure) So I ended up coming in 4th but I know if that "enter" hotkey BS didn't happen I would've got top 2 for sure.

Please FIX so cant act if you hit enter! Thanks!

Yeah this has happened to me a few times too. Hitting enter minraises you instead of sending the chat message. It does suck.

firstly, these games a breathe of fresh pace for online poker so well done WPN for innovation on the sng 2.0. That being said however some of things mentioned by posters definitely need fixing ASAP. The two that standout for me are 1) notes and 2) payout structure. Notes needs to be there, and the payout structure I dislike as it doesnt really ever increase 1st place by much and if so you need a 6,7,8,9 ball payout. Id also like to see it capped at 4 or 5 players, also I really liked the if gold card comes its an auto double. Because one thing that sucks is seeing a gold card and then nothing come of it. Maybe payout is tweakable maybe not, but for sure notes are needed.

oh and antes + prize structure ofc needs to be moved for less clutter.

all in all these things are great, but I imagine if these things were fixed I would have 3-5x more volume right now. I cant stand playing more than 1-2, but if these were fixed I would easily 5 table maybe even more. and I dont think im alone in this boat. Fix the issues, we wanna grind em!

The seating looks like it's almost certainly not random, esp based on the screenshot provided. Chances are really slim that multiple players are in the exact same position in multiple tournaments. If it's happening quite a bit, there's almost certainly something wrong. It's not the biggest issue to me though.

Is anything being done about the table pop-up/action priority issue? I would be playing a hell of a lot more if it was fixed.

Just played my first 2.0 SNG. Only thing I noticed that hasn't already been mentioned already is that the SNC points awarded for $5.00+$0.50 was only 0.60 and should be 0.65 according to the web site chart. Not sure if other buyins are accurate.

glgl

edit: Looking at this some more, I'm guessing $5.50s actually get 0.625 points but points get rounded to nearest 0.05, rounded down on the LB (0.60) and rounded up on the web site chart (0.65). So likely no big deal.