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ACR 9 K gntd, Network issues/Fraud, Demanding answers from WPN Rep. ACR 9 K gntd, Network issues/Fraud, Demanding answers from WPN Rep.

07-27-2015 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
You can go read the lag and disconnect thread where other people posted that were in the tournaments and they were cancelled when everything else was, which happened after they paused for the 2nd time.

Your only valid point is that they should have paused and or cancelled the very moment the lag started and did equity chops from there, which I agree with.
Its not about being valid about that, their lobby was lagged and that's how I understood it happened and actually it doesn't matter as much.

The only thing that matters is that we should be paid from the moment the problems started with equity chops, but I'm still waiting for that money, and I keep hearing their daily excuses saying that their "final decision" is scamming players.(Yes, getting a bit frustrated at this already.)
07-27-2015 , 02:40 PM
Right or wrong, you're never going to get it, so you may as well quit wasting your time.
07-27-2015 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by blackitem
Basically what u are still doing is trying to make up excuses for your team. Its plain and simple I couldn't play a lot hands because of the network issue, you brought up the few I could.

You said yourself you can't know if these plays would or wouldn't happen in whatever circumstances therefor results prior to the first disconnections should be honored for 1000th time. If we take results from that time, then no one can say WHAT IF..
He's making excuses for his team? He made, what in the online poker industry is, the very rare admission that his team made an outright mistake. It doesn't mean that he can hop in his time machine and change things back. What you consider fair for you would be unfair for other players. There is no solution that would make everyone happy.

If they, as you seem to be suggesting, simply solved this by handing out stacks of cash to many of those who played in the tournament, I would withdraw my money from this site today. There is no way that a site can create a standard solution for problems by throwing money at players without reaching into player deposits. We've seen that happen on other sites before and we know how that goes down.

If you need the money so much that you have to jump from thread to thread, as you have been doing, beating this dead horse, then perhaps it is time for you to find another source of income.
07-27-2015 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SantaCruz
He's making excuses for his team? He made, what in the online poker industry is, the very rare admission that his team made an outright mistake. It doesn't mean that he can hop in his time machine and change things back. What you consider fair for you would be unfair for other players. There is no solution that would make everyone happy.

If they, as you seem to be suggesting, simply solved this by handing out stacks of cash to many of those who played in the tournament, I would withdraw my money from this site today. There is no way that a site can create a standard solution for problems by throwing money at players without reaching into player deposits. We've seen that happen on other sites before and we know how that goes down.

If you need the money so much that you have to jump from thread to thread, as you have been doing, beating this dead horse, then perhaps it is time for you to find another source of income.
I want what belongs to me, there's nothing wrong with that, its okay that you think otherwise, but please, don't come telling me, if I should chase my money or not. For jumping from thread to thread, its just the beginning, people got the right to know how they treat/scam their customers.

And now that he learned that his team made mistake, then its time to get them the needed qualification for next time and pay out for this mistake, as its their fault, not the customers.

Also about this happening on other sites, yes, every site that I've played so far and I've had problems where I've been out of $ because of their mistakes, such as Ladbrokes, Pokerstars, they all admitted their mistake and paid what they owe, they are both living very well right now. Infact thats the reason why Pokerstars is the biggest site in the world, because they would never screw a player for their mistake.
07-27-2015 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by blackitem
I want what belongs to me
Wait. Is this serious? Obviously they made a mistake continuing the tournament. But you are clearly doing some serious mental gymnastics here. You are implying quite a lot here.

Firstly, you are implying that the disruption actually made you finish LOWER than you might have otherwise. This is not quantifiable.

Secondly, you say you made a decision to call off most of your chips that you "would not have otherwise." This doesn't even matter. You made a choice in a game of incomplete information and you lost the hand. We wouldn't even be HAVING this discussion if you would have won that hand. Then you would have more chips then when the problems started. So, if you win the KQ hand and WPN decides to cancel the tournament at that exact moment would you give WPN back the ICM money you earned during the issue? I highly doubt it.

I have been in the exact same spot you were. I have been DCed before and came back up and busted from a tournament. It sucks. But you did reconnect...and you did decide to call off most of your stack...and you did eventually bust. Again, I am empathic toward you but to imply that you had something STOLEN is kind of silly.

They screwed up. But its impossible to expect them to do much more than they did. You have to treat all the players the same and they appear to have done that. Hopefully they make a better decision next time
07-27-2015 , 07:45 PM
I'm coming back to ACR just off how idgaf the TD is. I like it.
07-27-2015 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodOlKevin
I'm coming back to ACR just off how idgaf the TD is. I like it.
+1
07-28-2015 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by blackitem
Its not about being valid about that, their lobby was lagged and that's how I understood it happened and actually it doesn't matter as much.

The only thing that matters is that we should be paid from the moment the problems started with equity chops, but I'm still waiting for that money, and I keep hearing their daily excuses saying that their "final decision" is scamming players.(Yes, getting a bit frustrated at this already.)
No one was scammed by the network.

Your outcome was not affected by the disconnects.. You were able to play a hand and ended up busting with it.

Why you decide to egg this on, I have no idea. The network did not profit from their decision and did not take funds from players.

I also tend to wonder why WPN Reps allow the select few of negative posters to continue posting the same moronic posts day after day.

I think Reps need to begin banning these posters from the subforum so that the people who actually use this forum for informative posts do not have to waste their time reading through garbage.
07-28-2015 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
They were cancelled at the exact same time as everything else, I was talking to people on Skype in both and I was in most other tournaments on the site. They paused the tournaments for around a hour, came back for 5-10 mins and then paused again before finally cancelling everything. The time at which they were cancelled is irrelevant anyway because all the tournaments were paused at that point.
Just curious. Were you in the same tournaments as the people on Skype you were talking to?
07-28-2015 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by goodsaint
Just curious. Were you in the same tournaments as the people on Skype you were talking to?
That skype thing kind of piqued my curiosity too.
07-28-2015 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by CastleFrank13
The problem which I don't think you get is that the disconnects affect the final outcome of the tournament. If there weren't any dc's op could have won the whole thing or he could have busted out the very next hand. Either way the final outcome was determined at least partially by network problems which is not right. It should be up to the players and luck of the cards that determines the final winner do you not agree?

There is no way the results for all three of my tourneys wasn't changed by the issues, ICM is hard to calculate when you haven't seen a lobby for a hour. Why pause the $109 and then restart it when there is still issues?

One of the only hands I could play in the $44 4k was aq in the sb guess who shoved the standard utg 67o shove because all the table was disconnected!!

How about the fact that when I busted a $109 tourney for almost 7k for first I didn't even get to see the bust out hand ? NO FLOP TURN OR RIVER.... It didn't even tell me the place I got in the tourney!

Must of been all my fault I guess !
07-28-2015 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Dalsue214
No one was scammed by the network.

Your outcome was not affected by the disconnects.. You were able to play a hand and ended up busting with it.

Why you decide to egg this on, I have no idea. The network did not profit from their decision and did not take funds from players.

I also tend to wonder why WPN Reps allow the select few of negative posters to continue posting the same moronic posts day after day.

I think Reps need to begin banning these posters from the subforum so that the people who actually use this forum for informative posts do not have to waste their time reading through garbage.



It wasn't like we were disconnected and then could play normal it went in and out for hour half having to restart restart restart..... If you didn't play that night for a chance at a big score, please don't talk about it because we are simply helping others from having the issues. We are trying to let management know we are unhappy with the situation so they can help solve the problem or at least deal with it better next time!
07-28-2015 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by tommyzero
Wait. Is this serious? Obviously they made a mistake continuing the tournament. But you are clearly doing some serious mental gymnastics here. You are implying quite a lot here.

Firstly, you are implying that the disruption actually made you finish LOWER than you might have otherwise. This is not quantifiable.

Secondly, you say you made a decision to call off most of your chips that you "would not have otherwise." This doesn't even matter. You made a choice in a game of incomplete information and you lost the hand. We wouldn't even be HAVING this discussion if you would have won that hand. Then you would have more chips then when the problems started. So, if you win the KQ hand and WPN decides to cancel the tournament at that exact moment would you give WPN back the ICM money you earned during the issue? I highly doubt it

I have been in the exact same spot you were. I have been DCed before and came back up and busted from a tournament. It sucks. But you did reconnect...and you did decide to call off most of your stack...and you did eventually bust. Again, I am empathic toward you but to imply that you had something STOLEN is kind of silly.

They screwed up. But its impossible to expect them to do much more than they did. You have to treat all the players the same and they appear to have done that. Hopefully they make a better decision next time

It wasn't like we were disconnected and then could play normal it went in and out for hour half having to restart restart restart..... If you didn't play that night for a chance at a big score, please don't talk about it because we are simply helping others from having the issues. We are trying to let management know we are unhappy with the situation so they can help solve the problem or at least deal with it better next time! ps they don't make gs a lot I doubt if they didn't want to keep funds separate they just wouldn't!
07-28-2015 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Dalsue214
No one was scammed by the network.

Your outcome was not affected by the disconnects.. You were able to play a hand and ended up busting with it.

Why you decide to egg this on, I have no idea. The network did not profit from their decision and did not take funds from players.

I also tend to wonder why WPN Reps allow the select few of negative posters to continue posting the same moronic posts day after day.

I think Reps need to begin banning these posters from the subforum so that the people who actually use this forum for informative posts do not have to waste their time reading through garbage.
Pretty sure ceo already stated that they made the wrong call here and not going to change it. So I don't see why people think any different. As for you to think this guy wasn't affect is just a joke. When the tourney starts lagging or dc it affect everyone. Doesn't matter if you can still play or not. It changes the game and is unfair. Only right thing to do is refund at time of lag/dc or refund everyone. The ceo knows this and has said sorry.
07-28-2015 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PokeYourFace
stop playing wpn imo... but you guys won't
Us guys won't because there's no other site. Quite honestly I'm starting to get fed up with poker. It just isn't fun anymore to sit in one spot for hours just to get involved 10% of the time. Other games are much more exciting, and tournys exist them for as well with cash prizes. Good enough for me.
07-28-2015 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxDeForge
Us guys won't because there's no other site. Quite honestly I'm starting to get fed up with poker. It just isn't fun anymore to sit in one spot for hours just to get involved 10% of the time. Other games are much more exciting, and tournys exist them for as well with cash prizes. Good enough for me.
Step 1 to quiting poker is to stop posting on internet poker** forums complaining about how you want to quit poker.
07-28-2015 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SantaCruz
That skype thing kind of piqued my curiosity too.
Guess we'll just remain curious.
07-28-2015 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by goodsaint
Guess we'll just remain curious.
It was to stupid of a comment to respond to, but since you persist........ It is very common for the regs of a particular game type to talk to each other. Just because players talk to each other doesn't mean they don't play 100% against them. (which is what you're implying)

Backing stables have Skype groups, friends have Skype groups, etc etc. It's pretty common knowledge and in no way shape or form means something nefarious is going on.
07-28-2015 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by goldy866
There is no way the results for all three of my tourneys wasn't changed by the issues, ICM is hard to calculate when you haven't seen a lobby for a hour. Why pause the $109 and then restart it when there is still issues?

One of the only hands I could play in the $44 4k was aq in the sb guess who shoved the standard utg 67o shove because all the table was disconnected!!

How about the fact that when I busted a $109 tourney for almost 7k for first I didn't even get to see the bust out hand ? NO FLOP TURN OR RIVER.... It didn't even tell me the place I got in the tourney!

Must of been all my fault I guess !
I think you misunderstood my post. it was directed to WPN and supports your arguement
07-28-2015 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
It was to stupid of a comment to respond to, but since you persist........ It is very common for the regs of a particular game type to talk to each other. Just because players talk to each other doesn't mean they don't play 100% against them. (which is what you're implying)

Backing stables have Skype groups, friends have Skype groups, etc etc. It's pretty common knowledge and in no way shape or form means something nefarious is going on.
Surrrrrrrrrrrrrrre
07-28-2015 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
It was to stupid of a comment to respond to, but since you persist........ It is very common for the regs of a particular game type to talk to each other. Just because players talk to each other doesn't mean they don't play 100% against them. (which is what you're implying)

Backing stables have Skype groups, friends have Skype groups, etc etc. It's pretty common knowledge and in no way shape or form means something nefarious is going on.
This is like deja vu all over again. When you were multi-accounting on Merge because they table limited you, you told us that it was absurd to think that you'd use those multiple accounts to cheat.

There's a lot of talk these days about what kind of software should be banned from online poker. Skype and similar programs top my list.
07-28-2015 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Heepman
Surrrrrrrrrrrrrrre
What!?! Me officer?
07-28-2015 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
It was to stupid of a comment to respond to, but since you persist........ It is very common for the regs of a particular game type to talk to each other. Just because players talk to each other doesn't mean they don't play 100% against them. (which is what you're implying)

Backing stables have Skype groups, friends have Skype groups, etc etc. It's pretty common knowledge and in no way shape or form means something nefarious is going on.
My daddy always told me, "If you wanna know something, you better ask somebody". So I asked. Don't have Skype and so not in a Skype group. So unaware. Had to ask. Stupid or not. Thank you for answering. Glad you could read my mind. Wasn't implying anything. I don't think you're stupid enough to be colluding and give yourself away by saying you're Skyping with others in the same tourney. But an inquiring mind still wanted to know if you were in the same tournaments. Doing my due diligence before downloading WPN. Well aware the fields are tougher than Carbon. Every little bit helps. And if other people are in the same tournament and on Skype, they may not have your value system. So thank you for an informative answer.
07-28-2015 , 11:03 PM
Fwiw, there was a huge Skype group thwt played the Merge network and was known to collude consisting of some of the biggest winners to ever play the network.

It's common everywhere. Some abuse it, some don't, just like anything else.
07-28-2015 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

There's a lot of talk these days about what kind of software should be banned from online poker. Skype and similar programs top my list.
I don't disagree, but you gonna ban cell phones and pigeons too?

Keep reaching buddy.....

      
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