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Old 06-24-2015, 03:19 PM   #151
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Re: 60 min LR MTT;s

Only 3 of the later ones have 5 minute blinds. The rest are all 10 and 12 minute blinds.

Also I don't see how anyone can talk about bad structures before seeing them, all we're seeing is starting stack and how fast the blinds increase...
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Old 06-24-2015, 03:33 PM   #152
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Just as an example. Level 6 is 60-120 with a 12 ante!
So the 10 min blind GI60s will be at what, 75-150 level 7 I assume (3K starting stack = 20bb). Late reg last level with 25bb. Sounds perfect to me.

5 min levels will be a lot faster, 12 min levels slower/late reg last level deeper.

+1 to Boney let's give this a fair shake and reserve judgments until we see it in action
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Old 06-24-2015, 03:49 PM   #153
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Can you squeeze in 75-100$ BI 6max, 10k or even 20k SS, 1h LR in 16.30 or 17.30 and make it daily special? This could run with low guarantee as a start and have a progressive guarantee same as Sunday special.

this one? maybe friday?
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Old 06-24-2015, 04:17 PM   #154
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so the only change I notice today was the cut of the wsop 100R satelite, which is def a bad news...

having the feeling of just playing sundays again
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Old 06-24-2015, 04:18 PM   #155
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I just wrote out a pretty long post and when I went to post it said I wasn't logged in,even though I had just logged in 15 minutes before. so I'm gonna post and and keep adding so I don't do that again.

I wanna start by saying I think you're doing a great job as TD. I know it can't be easy. For every person that likes something you do there's three others that hate it. You're also not given free reign by Winning to just do whatever you want. This combined with a thousand other things probably makes your job very difficult.

I think one of the things that makes WPN so appealing to a lot of people is the deeper structures. These are needed because of the 2,3 and 5 hour late registrations. Otherwise the average starting stack would be 3 bb's or something like that late in late registration and nobody is trying to re enter or buy into 3 bb's. As a result we get deep structures. You have to deal with the annoying super late registration but I'd still rather have that than what Bovada does.

I understand you also have 9-5'ers and just regulars who like shorter tournaments that you have to throw a bone to as well. the thing is you've given them the whole bird. These are all structured pretty fast (at least faster than pretty much all of your non turbos) and they appeal to just one group of players.

I think you guys like that little boost you get with the late re entries and registrations created by the high blinds and low average and starting stacks towards the end of the late registration. That seems to be a formula you guys stick to. I get the feeling that these will be no different. I understand that in the end deeper structures 1 hr late registration may just not be something that is realistic for you guys. You possibly need the little shove fests you create to boost the prize pools. I just know what we're getting doesn't really appeal to me or a lot of others. You've basically just created a bunch of Bovada tournaments without the appeal of WPN's deep structures. I think this is a good idea really. I know there are people that like shorter tournaments. I just wish you didn't make all of them that way.

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Old 06-24-2015, 04:19 PM   #156
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so the only change I notice today was the cut of the wsop 100R satelite, which is def a bad news...

having the feeling of just playing sundays again
Today is still Wednesday. The changes are slated for tomorrow.
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Old 06-24-2015, 05:11 PM   #157
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Re: 60 min LR MTT;s

Maybe consider a turbo/hyper mega bounty with 3k stacks just for something unique and fun. Don't care the BI or GTD as long as it's $10+.

Excited to see how these do, thanks for reaching out to us. Even though some people are just delusional.
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Old 06-24-2015, 05:18 PM   #158
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I understand you also have 9-5'ers and just regulars who like shorter tournaments that you have to throw a bone to as well. the thing is you've given them the whole bird.
I think you've misunderstood what's happening. The same mtt schedule you've been playing isn't changing, these 1 hour late reg games are being added to it.
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Old 06-24-2015, 05:29 PM   #159
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So the 10 min blind GI60s will be at what, 75-150 level 7 I assume (3K starting stack = 20bb). Late reg last level with 25bb. Sounds perfect to me.

5 min levels will be a lot faster, 12 min levels slower/late reg last level deeper.

+1 to Boney let's give this a fair shake and reserve judgments until we see it in action
+1 on both points. let's not forget, most of the tourny schedule is staying intact. its not like hes taking out longer tournys in favor of quicker. he's just adding in quicker ones so there are quicker ones as well. i think it deserves a shot before we make any real judgement.

also as others have said, the most important thing in determining how deep these tournys will actually be is the structure which we don't have the full picture of yet.
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Old 06-24-2015, 05:56 PM   #160
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I think you've misunderstood what's happening. The same mtt schedule you've been playing isn't changing, these 1 hour late reg games are being added to it.
I understand that. I wanted 1 hr late registration with the same deeper structures. I'd be willing to bet there are a lot of people that wanted that. That's not what we're getting. There's a large group of players these tournaments don't appeal to.

I'm talking about the new 1 hr late registration tournaments with the "whole bird" comment. He geared them all towards the people who want short tournaments. let's be honest. he didn't purposely gear them towards them. They're just that way because they need to induce re entries, which is tough to do with 1 hr late registration and deep structures.

I mean it's pretty obvious how these are being structured. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what they're trying to do here. They're gonna lower the starting stacks and shorten the blinds to induce re entries because they're scared if they structure it normally they won't get 5 million re entries and a boost in the prize pool.

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Old 06-24-2015, 06:29 PM   #161
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^^^ not true sir.

This is the reason the guarantees are so small. If we happen to get 4000 runners in these tournaments they will last long. Tell your friends ;-)
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Old 06-24-2015, 06:42 PM   #162
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Games that I want to play? A laugh or 2? Help the helpless? Idk just bored at work really
Well, it's time to move on now then.
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Old 06-24-2015, 06:43 PM   #163
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I'm not that worried about it. Will still play the stuff I usually do. I've kind of come to peace with the late registration. Also understand what I was hoping for may just not be plausible for you guys.
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Old 06-25-2015, 02:48 AM   #164
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I just wrote out a pretty long post and when I went to post it said I wasn't logged in,even though I had just logged in 15 minutes before. so I'm gonna post and and keep adding so I don't do that again.

I wanna start by saying I think you're doing a great job as TD. I know it can't be easy. For every person that likes something you do there's three others that hate it. You're also not given free reign by Winning to just do whatever you want. This combined with a thousand other things probably makes your job very difficult.

I think one of the things that makes WPN so appealing to a lot of people is the deeper structures. These are needed because of the 2,3 and 5 hour late registrations. Otherwise the average starting stack would be 3 bb's or something like that late in late registration and nobody is trying to re enter or buy into 3 bb's. As a result we get deep structures. You have to deal with the annoying super late registration but I'd still rather have that than what Bovada does.

I understand you also have 9-5'ers and just regulars who like shorter tournaments that you have to throw a bone to as well. the thing is you've given them the whole bird. These are all structured pretty fast (at least faster than pretty much all of your non turbos) and they appeal to just one group of players.

I think you guys like that little boost you get with the late re entries and registrations created by the high blinds and low average and starting stacks towards the end of the late registration. That seems to be a formula you guys stick to. I get the feeling that these will be no different. I understand that in the end deeper structures 1 hr late registration may just not be something that is realistic for you guys. You possibly need the little shove fests you create to boost the prize pools. I just know what we're getting doesn't really appeal to me or a lot of others. You've basically just created a bunch of Bovada tournaments without the appeal of WPN's deep structures. I think this is a good idea really. I know there are people that like shorter tournaments. I just wish you didn't make all of them that way.
Your a nit trying to sound intelligent..its exacly the opossite. Most tournaments should be 60 with the occasional larger and mega tournaments being the excepion with longer late. The td is right, with larger pools the gi60 will run longer..

I was listening to a podcast with a whole bunch of hardcore poker players who actually played a whole bunch of games at the wsop live..

Thefe number one complaint waa the late registration. Too many people comi g in at the end making the money after they just played for 8 hours..

They said even being shiort on blinds or 9 leveles off wasn't enough of an impediment. Of course they were talking about the large stack tournaments but from all the callers who spoke on the show and who actually played agreed, .. they even complained about that new trend on online poker..

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Old 06-25-2015, 03:05 AM   #165
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Your a nit trying to sound intelligent..its exacly the opossite. Most tournaments should be 60 with the occasional larger and mega tournaments being the excepion with longer late. The td is right, with larger pools the gi60 will run longer..

I was listening to a podcast with a whole bunch of hardcore poker players who actually played a whole bunch of games at the wsop live..

Thefe number one complaint waa the late registration. Too many people comi g in at the end making the money after they just played for 8 hours..

They said even being shiort on blinds or 9 leveles off wasn't enough of an impediment. Of course they were talking about the large stack tournaments but from all the callers who spoke on the show and who actually played agreed, .. they even complained about that new trend on online poker..
No disrespect to 2+2 but pm me for the podcast they also said ghere no happy medium online its eithrf turbo kr ridiculous late.. they said 10-12 min blinds with 1500-3k starting chips is perfect.

And these are guys that play wsop live and grind online...
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Old 06-25-2015, 04:23 AM   #166
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These things actually look pretty nice. Sorry for ever doubting you man.

I'd be in heaven with 5k starting stacks or 15 minute blinds but I understand.
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Old 06-25-2015, 11:56 AM   #167
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Ed - you still have that in the big10 or turbo10.
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Old 06-25-2015, 02:55 PM   #168
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1st GI60 tournament hits the guarantee.
40 total players 20 add ons 42 rebuys

frankly im surprise the tournament hit the guarantee considering it was plo8 tournaments running at 12 during a weekday. But i think its a good start.
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Old 06-25-2015, 04:05 PM   #169
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Considering 1200$ GTD in 16.00 basically never runs, please try putting 75-100$ BI 6max, 10k or even 20k SS, 1h LR in its place as a daily special with low guarantee or even without guarantee?
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Old 06-25-2015, 04:25 PM   #170
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Structures look good for most of the GI60s that i looked at. Seems like a good mix of 10-12 min levels with a few turbos mixed in. Well done Winning TD

Now we players just gotta get them running consistently
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Old 06-25-2015, 04:33 PM   #171
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Also much better payout structure
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Old 06-25-2015, 05:01 PM   #172
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Ok,

This is what i have come up with.

I thought of GI60M - ....... for the name to stand out. The person that 1st says what it stands for i will give entry into Sundays WSOP sat @6pm.


12pm - Change $50 Mega bounty (never runs) to

GI60M - $200 GTD PLO8 R/A - $2+0.20 - 10 min blinds - 3k SS

3.45pm - GI60M - $250 GTD 6 Max - $4+0.40 10 min blinds 3k SS

5.45pm - Change $50 Mega bounty NLO8 (never runs) to

GI60M - $1000 GTD R/A - $20+2 - SS-1500,R-1500,A-2500 10 min blinds

8.15pm - GI60M - $500 GTD - $10+1 - 10 min blinds - 3K SS

8.45pm change $4000 Megastack turbo to

GIS60M - $1500 GTD - $50+5 - 12 min blinds - 3K SS

10.00pm - GI60M - $600 GTD Turbo - $30+3 - 5 Min blinds - 5k SS

10.15pm - GI60M - $200 GTD PLO Turbo 6 Max -$7+0.70 - 5 Min Blinds - 5k SS

11.15pm - GI60M - $500 GTD - $25+2.50 - 10 Min Blinds - 3k SS

Thoughts?
I'm a rec player with a job and a social life. I'm not a frequent MTT player, but for the rare occasions that I do play one, these tournaments sound great!

I'll be playing two of them tonight.

One bit of constructive criticism about the marketing: I don't see anything in the 5Dimes client explaining what a "GI60" tournament is. No in-client advertisement, and nothing in the description in the lobby of the tournament.

Unless you can find a way to direct the Random Joes and Janes looking for a non-turbo tournament that won't last eight hours to these tournaments, you can't say they are getting a fair chance to thrive.
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Old 06-25-2015, 05:14 PM   #173
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Unless you can find a way to direct the Random Joes and Janes looking for a non-turbo tournament that won't last eight hours to these tournaments, you can't say they are getting a fair chance to thrive.
Thats one of the problems i brought up earlier. Thats why these tournaments are given a different name than others but yes i feel like there should be some kind of pop up advertisement but i think there busy pushing the $3 wsop jackpot poker.
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Old 06-25-2015, 05:39 PM   #174
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Thats one of the problems i brought up earlier. Thats why these tournaments are given a different name than others but yes i feel like there should be some kind of pop up advertisement but i think there busy pushing the $3 wsop jackpot poker.
It's fine to name them something cryptic like "GastroIntestinal 60" if you're going to have a marketing campaign to explain what that means.

It's also fine to name them the "Quicker 10", or "Reduced Late Reg Series" that (at least partially) explains what they are.

It's not fine to name them something and then hope people figure it out.

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Old 06-25-2015, 06:25 PM   #175
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This is why i didnt want to release. We are doing a pr to send out and other marketing things. I was going to wait until all this was ready to release but they will be given a chance.
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