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Old 06-15-2015, 04:05 PM   #26
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Re: 60 min LR MTT;s

I just got dizzy....
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Old 06-15-2015, 04:17 PM   #27
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Re: 60 min LR MTT;s

Suggestions

7 pm $33 2k 60 min late reg 10 min levels (to get the grinders that p[lay the 30 10k)

8pm $11 2k at 9pm for the guys reggin the $9 knockout and 11 1.5k


do the 60 min lates at the start or on the 2nd hour of registration for similar buyins.

I can attest im redepositing money on site today just because of this news.
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Old 06-15-2015, 04:23 PM   #28
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Re: 60 min LR MTT;s

$15 1500 plo is good but sucks when your reg late how about a $10 500 gtd 60 min around 10pm?
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Old 06-15-2015, 04:33 PM   #29
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Re: 60 min LR MTT;s

Once again let's not get lost in the weeds...

Keep it simple and long running like the td said..

10/12 blinds __ 60 late..

Let's keep it simple.. we're screwing up our chance here..
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Old 06-15-2015, 04:34 PM   #30
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Re: 60 min LR MTT;s

Good thread. Some changes are needed

I think the general consensus is that you need to shorten your tournaments. Theres a couple of ways to do this but my suggestions would be changing some of the 15 min level blinds to 10-12 and cutting some of the unnecessary levels both during late reg and in the middle of the tournament. Also reducing starting stack size in some of the smaller tournaments would help

A structure that is more rec friendly would have blinds going 400/800, 500/1000, 600/1200, 800/1600, 1000/2000, 1250/2500, 1500/3000, 2000/4000 with 12 min levels. Thats bovadas standard structure. Your 15 min level structures are similar but adds 2-3 additional levels with longer blind levels

Your few 10 min level tournaments are a joke because you add in so many extra blind levels. The $162 8k is a 10 min level but has a 5k starting stack with levels going 350/700, 400/800, 500/1000, 600/1200/ 700/1400, 800/1600, 900/1800, 1000/2000, 1200/2400, 1400/2800, 1600/3200, 1800/3600, 2000/4000. Even tho you reduced the blind levels from 15mins to 10mins it takes the same amount of time because you add in 30% more levels

More turbos also would be nice
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Old 06-15-2015, 04:57 PM   #31
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Re: 60 min LR MTT;s

deepstack turbo 60 min late reg, 5k starting stack 5 min levels

start off simple 22 2k!

Can we have a title for these 60min late regs like how we have turbo10, and big10. How about #Quick10?? so i know all of the quick 10s are fast tourneys
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Old 06-15-2015, 05:17 PM   #32
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Re: 60 min LR MTT;s

from 3pm to 7pm ,without any order create the following tourneys

22$ rebuy 5k gtd 2k stack 1h LR 10 min blind
55$ turbo 5k gtd 5K stack 1h LR 10min blind
215$ turbo 10k gtd 10k stack 90min LR 10 min blind
75$ Knock out 20k gtd 5k stack 1h LR 10 min blind
55$ 2k gtd PLO KO 2500 stack 1H LR 10 min blind
11$ turbo 2k gtd 5k stack 1H LR 10 min blind


this is something different I would play everyday

at the moment when I look to the schedule I dont feel like playing , at least this would bring something different..
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Old 06-15-2015, 05:42 PM   #33
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Re: 60 min LR MTT;s

I will play some mtts on WPN again... start 60 min reg tourneys between 2-6pm Est. Buyins should mostly be around $10, 1 tourney at $5, 1 $20, 1 $50 use one of the $10 tourneys for plo, plo8, other games that rotates daily.
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Old 06-15-2015, 05:57 PM   #34
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Re: 60 min LR MTT;s

I see some posts asking for more turbos - can anyone explain to me the reasoning? If you play to make money you're not going to do it from turbos - you can double or triple your ROI by playing reg speed tournaments over turbos.....I'd be surprised if big winners were advocating for more turbos.
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Old 06-15-2015, 06:05 PM   #35
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Re: 60 min LR MTT;s

It doesn't really matter what my theoretical ROI is in 6+ hour tournaments, because I can't reasonably play them. I'm sure they're great if you're building your schedule around them but not many people actually have that ability.
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Old 06-15-2015, 06:24 PM   #36
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deepstack turbo 60 min late reg, 5k starting stack 5 min levels

start off simple 22 2k!

Can we have a title for these 60min late regs like how we have turbo10, and big10. How about #Quick10?? so i know all of the quick 10s are fast tourneys
I know turbo your thing...

But he said a couple for now.

I'm take that..

I think to start 10/12 blinds..

But most defiantly have descriptive names with each structure so we know what to find..

And I think he said generally micro/low for now..

Let's not sabotage this or get lost in the weeds or make unreasonable high expectation.

Not saying yours is, just in general..

But most defiantly I would play anything with 60 late..

Now "I think" I have a chance..

When the slow season is over will most definitely.play satellites to the larger 60 late tournament..

If I can cash a couple of extra times, I.just use it to buy in higher. I've accepted my role as the table donk.

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Old 06-15-2015, 07:05 PM   #37
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I see some posts asking for more turbos - can anyone explain to me the reasoning? If you play to make money you're not going to do it from turbos - you can double or triple your ROI by playing reg speed tournaments over turbos.....I'd be surprised if big winners were advocating for more turbos.
It's pretty simple really fish love them, they play really bad in them, and you can get more games in which increases your hourly.
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Old 06-15-2015, 07:07 PM   #38
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Re: 60 min LR MTT;s

what changes will be made Winning TD? will u choose my suggestions for 1 time?
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Old 06-15-2015, 07:09 PM   #39
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It doesn't really matter what my theoretical ROI is in 6+ hour tournaments, because I can't reasonably play them. I'm sure they're great if you're building your schedule around them but not many people actually have that ability.

fair enough.
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Old 06-15-2015, 07:17 PM   #40
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It's pretty simple really fish love them, they play really bad in them, and you can get more games in which increases your hourly.
How long does the average turbo take compared to reg mtts? Even if the turbo takes 1/2 the time or 1/3 the time its not worthwhile financially given how much higher a good players ROI is in a well structured tournament....furthermore there's only so many turbos in the day - its not like you can play one and immediately fire the next one up so your hourly isn't what the numbers would say it is....also it increases variance tremendously - I get playing turbos if you have limited time on your hands but I think if you have the full day to play poker reg speed are better overall.
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Old 06-15-2015, 08:36 PM   #41
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Re: 60 min LR MTT;s

also my opinion is u dont need a GTD on every tournament u run put up a $1 turbo with the 60 min late reg
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Old 06-15-2015, 10:31 PM   #42
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Re: 60 min LR MTT;s

okay. So im liking that this thread has started up but lets be realistic to both sides of the argument. You guys are making good suggestions for tournaments but please keep in mind whatever schedule TD eventually uses not everybody will know about. There isn't exactly a filter to just look at 60min late reg tournaments. So I think to be fair we need to lower the guarantee until the tournament consistently hits the guarantee before we raise it. I also believe the best time to implement this schedule is prime time where more people would be exposed to it.
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Old 06-15-2015, 10:53 PM   #43
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How long does the average turbo take compared to reg mtts? Even if the turbo takes 1/2 the time or 1/3 the time its not worthwhile financially given how much higher a good players ROI is in a well structured tournament....furthermore there's only so many turbos in the day - its not like you can play one and immediately fire the next one up so your hourly isn't what the numbers would say it is....also it increases variance tremendously - I get playing turbos if you have limited time on your hands but I think if you have the full day to play poker reg speed are better overall.
First off, agree with the above. WTF adding a bunch of turbos to the schedule? These suck, unless the avg stack will be 10-15bbs. Maybe without 3 hr late reg they will be a lot better, but who knows. Variety, variety, variety.

As for the TD, I listed several suggestions in the other thread.
~shootouts-see how these fill up...these are fun since they are an mtt/sng mix with different strategies
~freezeouts ($1, $2, $5, $11, maybe $16.50, $22, $33, $55, $75, $109)
~rebuys ($2, $3, $5, $10, $30r)
~rebuy(s)+addon--1 or 2 rebuys+addon; ($2, $5, $10)
~action hours---quick blinds for rebuy period, slow after (lower buyin of some sort)
~turbos---push/fold at end, but chip leader still has 30ishbbs (rest are around 10-15 bbs avg stack
~variety of 6 max, 9 max, and maybe throw in a 4 max on a special night
~what about a special HU mtt one or two days of the week, 3 diff levels?

As for the ideal schedule, I have no clue where the players even come from and at one times. Obviously you would want to cram a bunch of mtts in for all levels between 5pm EST and maybe like midnight-2am. This will satisfy coast to coast. Have quite a few mtts starting for the same-ish buy in levels multiple times within the hour, or at least 2-3/hr. Should include all games....NLHE, PLO, maybe a plo8 by itself, and a Horse one. Maybe include an OE one or two nights a week.

Late at night there should be a couple different mtts for the Euro players...maybe a few extra turbos, a couple 10 min levels, and maybe 1 15 min level one every other hour.

Early day for american through afternoon should consist of mainly nlhe and maybe throw in a few plo. It's really a guess as to what you will get. We don't know numbers and could be way off base from what you have, as well as what is expected. I'd just throw in some mtts that we suggest and we can agree/disagree as necessary. Probably will cost you a bit of money, but that's expected to improve.

I would take the Bovada schedule and look at the gtds with the actual prizepool and include what is on there; and trim off some of the fat that won't work for you guys yet. Don't have to copy exactly, but if they are getting a 2r with 2k prizepool at 1pm in afternoon, you should have success with something similar once traffic gets over here.

As far as level length, I'd go 15 minutes for most of the mtts earlier in day, as people would grind for awhile...throw in a few 10 min levels/turbos later in afternoon when it comes closer to dinner so we aren't grinding a 7 hr mtt from 3pm until 10pm. Also, 15 min levels would probably suffice earlier in the evening...people can grind a 5-6 hr mtt until midnight or 1am even if they work in the morning if a good prizepool. Have a few turbos, though, later in evening so people can get a quickie (not from their gf/bf) before they head to bed/finish up 1 tabling the earlier 15 min level one. There will be plenty of night owls who play the later mtts, but would not have too many 7 hr mtts after midnight. 10 min levels with good stack/structure would suffice.

ALL WITH 1 HR LATE REG WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Old 06-16-2015, 08:32 AM   #44
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First off, agree with the above. WTF adding a bunch of turbos to the schedule? These suck, unless the avg stack will be 10-15bbs. Maybe without 3 hr late reg they will be a lot better, but who knows.
I don't think any of the turbos currently have 3 hour late reg. I think they all go 18 levels.
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Old 06-16-2015, 09:26 AM   #45
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from 3pm to 7pm ,without any order create the following tourneys

22$ rebuy 5k gtd 2k stack 1h LR 10 min blind
55$ turbo 5k gtd 5K stack 1h LR 10min blind
215$ turbo 10k gtd 10k stack 90min LR 10 min blind
75$ Knock out 20k gtd 5k stack 1h LR 10 min blind
55$ 2k gtd PLO KO 2500 stack 1H LR 10 min blind
11$ turbo 2k gtd 5k stack 1H LR 10 min blind


this is something different I would play everyday

at the moment when I look to the schedule I dont feel like playing , at least this would bring something different..
+1
except 215$ turbo is perhaps too big for most, make it 5k 109$
and add another 109$ 5k gtd at 6pm to run along with daily 10k big
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Old 06-16-2015, 09:30 AM   #46
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Would be nice if you add 1 or 2 real freezeout MTT's with 50-100$ BI 60-90min LR with smaller gtd's...
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Old 06-16-2015, 09:30 AM   #47
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Re: 60 min LR MTT;s

Mtt monthly leaderboards!?
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Old 06-16-2015, 09:32 AM   #48
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at the moment when I look to the schedule I dont feel like playing , at least this would bring something different..
got me on this one
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Old 06-16-2015, 09:35 AM   #49
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i dont think 60 min late reg matters for micro stuff. For mid to high stakes there is only a handful of players and im sure the same guys playing the 3 hour late regs will play the 60 min also along with newer players.


I think we should follow suit with bovada as to be honest id play there if i wasnt in a banned state (NY). Now is the time for you guys to capitalize as bovada has alot of banned states who will play on wpn

22 2k
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Old 06-16-2015, 12:02 PM   #50
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i dont think 60 min late reg matters for micro stuff. For mid to high stakes there is only a handful of players and im sure the same guys playing the 3 hour late regs will play the 60 min also along with newer players.[
I don't agree with this.

Micro stakes player are probably more likely to want 60 minute late registration. I don't actually care a ton about what happens to micros, but I'll give my input anyway. I remember that when I started out and was playing micros, I liked the fact that WPN had great structures that lasted a while so I could learn to play better, but I had the ability to stay up late at night, while others don't. That being said, there were times when I just didn't feel like playing a long tournament with 3 hour late registration, and so I skipped it.

On the other hand, I agree for the most part that the most important tournaments to focus on are the medium to high stakes, if that was your point. Regs at those stakes will play the one hour late registration games as well, and given the shorter late reg/re-entry time, less skilled players will make the final table. That's a good thing for everyone except those who are the absolute best tournament players.

Again, I do not advocate getting rid of long late registration at all, but some midstakes and maybe a 109 nightly with 1 hour late registration would be good, particularly around the 8-12 time slot. There is definetely a lot of people who skip tournaments that start late, when they'd open one or two more up if they knew they'd end within 3ish hours, but not upwards of 7 or 8.

I'll come up with a rough schedule, probably going to copy/paste/edit Tapirboy's work, since it was well done and neat.
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