Okay.


I've won lane in almost every top lane Irelia game I've played on this account so far this season:

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=farming%20wolves


At this elo (lol silver), I just stomp almost every top laner. I know how to trade properly. I know when I have kill potential. I understand more than the average silver player about minion manipulation. I try to time my backs to be most advantageous. There is a LOT more I can learn. Honestly, if I put in another 100 games, I'd probably be mid-gold without improving at all. It's just a matter of volume.

Anyway, I wish I had this last game recorded. I absolutely crushed my lane opponenet (Riven). I was 5/1 (died to a Nidalee gank but was able to kill Nidalee as they dove me) and well ahead on CS. Every time she came to lane, I jumped on her face and chunked her down so that I had kill potential when my CD's came back up.

I took Ignite instead of TP this game and after the 15-20 minute mark, I just didn't know what to do to help end the game. I roamed mid once or twice and later I died a couple times to poor attempts to dive while they had a Lissandra ult up. Those times I died were bad decisions and I understand why they were bad.


I guess the question is:

What are the steps to take to win a game after you've crushed top lane for 15-20 minutes and you are 3 levels higher and at least 1 item ahead of everyone else in the game?


*edit* In before "lol don't play any other lanes or champs"

I have played no games on Irelia so I don't know her kit and how it scales very well.

It seems like she has solid split push abilities and is a very good 1v1 fighter but struggles in unorganized teamfights where she can get CC'ed and bursted down.

I think the general rule I've followed in these spots is to just shove your lane, ward the top side jungle, and roam to help secure either neutral objectives or kills for other lanes. If you keep applying pressure on the top lane turrets, the other team will be forced to rotate over to relax that pressure. If you ward well enough, you can escape without dying and concede 30-60 seconds of you not farming or achieving anything (while you're running from the split push) for the same amount of time on 2-3 of their champs. When you get ahead, take more of a vocal role in shot calling as well. Try to remind your team when there's one minute til drag/baron and get people to go there in advance of it coming up.

Generally it's dependent on the type of champ you play with, but with a fed Irelia, best thing you can do is split push, look for picks across the map where you can find an isolated target and pick up a 1v1 kill because nobody should be able to out 1v1 you, and try to best organize your team for towers/dragons.

On that note, where do I draw the line between 1.) being there for teamfights (And generally winning even numbers fights) while no lanes are being pushed, and 2.) NOT grouping and drawing 2-3 of the enemy team to deal with me while just crossing my fingers and hoping that my team can get stuff done while i have the enemy split up like that (and of course getting yelled at for not grouping although I understand that I'm applying a tremendous amount of map pressure which is a good thing).

Irelia isn't actually THAT good of a split pusher outside of being able to 1v1 pretty much anyone. Unless I have a hydra (almost never), it takes her a while to waveclear without using ult and it gives the enemy plenty of time to react.


Also, I took a look and it seems that the games where I take ignite generally last longer and the last half of the game my power spike trails off. If I'm ahead, I can absolutely destroy people from level 9 through 15ish. Once everyone is 15-18, I'm just a utility tank that has some burst and can take out/dive a carry and usually get out (or peel for any carries that have gotten strong). The games where I take teleport seem to end much sooner and I think it's because I'm with the team a lot more. I can split and then group for fights and help push down objectives more easily, but I give up some percentage of times I will win lane. I don't know which is better at the moment.


I need more volume.

Funnily enough I had this post written up then saw that Zimmer pretty much writes the same.

If you have no Killpressure on the opposing toplaner undet their T2 tower it's usually good to shove him in and than rotate mid/take the jungle. Eventually taking the jungle and applying pressure mid will lead to something(They being starved, if you take the jungle). If the other laner decides to follow you he will lose the farm under turret, if he doesn't you can dive the opponents.

Generally if you push from botlane just push him and then go towards baron, especially in your elo make sure to tell them "If they come for me, instantly start baron". You should definitely start being the shotcaller at that point, you push him in bot, you walk towards baron and just spamping and start it. You force his TP or a 5 v 4 and then go do the same thing again but this time around he won`t have TP.

Also make sure to get the new trinket you can get so much vision with it and for baron carry a pinkward if you can.

It`s def really important that you spamping, if you rotate mid, spamping that you are coming so even the biggest idiot of a jungler understands "ohh we can 3 man mid".

Ohh yeah also Buffcontrol is a big thing then, if you get redbuff it can help you dive or the opponent jungler will dance around it trying to steal it because he is a lowelo greedy **** and will die(this will happen to like diamond)

Yeah. I'll have to check the actual numbers but I definitely have a good portion of neutral camps cleared and the majority is from the enemy jungle. I'll have to 'shotcall' a little more. I have a knack for getting people to like me pretty early in the game (and it's not because of my play). I'll just have to be a little more controlling.


Thanks for all the help so far guys. Please keep ideas coming. I want to get better.

Easiest solution is just to always take TP. Yes, it makes lane harder and boring because you lose a lot of 1v1 kill potential, and you have less burst in fights team fights, but being able to split and TP to fights/objectives is pretty key as you note. If you are crushing lane most of the time, you likely do not need ignite anyways. Also, the amount of farm and gold gained in the long term by being able to TP back to lane and not miss waves, or split push because you have TP so you don't be with your team, all adds up to more gold than you would get from a kill or two in lane with ignite. Plus having TP can help you TP gank say, bot, which helps you more than just crushing your own lane as it can help prevent their ADC from snowballing or snowballs your ADC and obv can also lead to a drag/bot tower.

If you have tp you don't even need to "shotcall" in the way you might think. All you really need to say is something like "Drag in 30, my tp up" or something and that will alert people without even having to take charge and TELL them "hey guys lets group for drag." People are more likely to not say something like "**** u noob u 0-3" if you got wrecked in lane, since you aren't telling them what to do, merely giving them info. At least in my experience.

Grunching;

Vision vision vision.
Seriously If you're stomping there is no reason not to have upgraded trinket at level 9 and a pink ward down 24/7. This will drastically improve you being able to close out games. Seriously, just take tower and ward their whole jungle. While it's not recommended you could just keep their jungle warded and afk push top all day. They send 2 back off.
Don't get caught up in trying to help your team without always having pressure on top.
If your team is communicating and has good vision control then wander down and help them take mid/drag. If they dont have good vision or they are fighting/flaming each other dont even bother. Its better for you to keep stomping top than to wander around the map and die with them, while letting their top catch up in CS.

Work on the warding 24/7 first, after you've got that down work on creep wave timings. Try and gauge how long you can wander mid and try for a gank with losing the least amount of creeps and pressure top. Get a kill top and you're still healthy? You don't need as much pressure, so roam mid. Have their wave pushed top after getting a kill and you need heal? Take mid back to top, try for a combo mid if you don't get a kill nbd, just head back top re-place your wards and keep stomping.