Been going devourer and botrk prob should go the reduced smite cooldown item(Ranger i think it is). I think going tank after devourer might be better. Going tank and then just have your W to do dmg or something. Or maybe Hydra is better later, like you got so much attackspeed with your ulti and passive its prob not good to have more attackspeed.

Yea I will have to test, also what's your skill progression? Oddone was starting w-e-q then max e but I've Seen others go q first and max e and others max w first.

I max w first, I don`t like maxing q it`s kinda unreliable if you miss your q then all your dmg is gone. I go W - E - Q as well.

Warwick back down to 60 percent ban, might actually get to play him occasionally again

i have been trying ranger into wits into bortk into tank.i think its pretty good. i think getting devourer is a waste. its a bad item. stacking takes too long. rather get juggernaut after bortk.

Too long to stack? You start with 25 already and get that at like what 11 or 12 min? Everytime you w and get two assists that's 4 more stacks.

rather pay 1000 gold extra for wits end to start with 42 stacks and some MR.

"devourer is a bad item"

Just incredible

Flare was OP on WW last season and realistically you wouldn't finish stacking it til maybe 15-16m.

Devourer is basically a flare that you don't have to stack (so you get it much earlier), costs 300 less gold, gives you 20% more AS (although flare gave 12 AD), and you get 2 stacks on a champion kill/assist, meaning if you W as ww and win a teamfight you probably get 10 stacks.

Got to play Warwick tonight, 8/2/11. Confirmed still op.

Was playing against a lee and he just didn't do enough early and I just slowly strangled them out.

Get Lvl 6 around 7 mins, drag, pick up devourer around 9 mins.

Im jungling taric and trundle right now. Both feel really strong. Trundles double buff top lane gank is so strong. Taric ganks mid pretty well after double buffs

taric jungle

I picked up my devourer on Warwick last night at like 7:30 min I believe, felt pretty dirty.

Only playing normals with Taric right now but im currently 6-2 with it and in 7 of the games i was huge

Damn Sejuani is so strong, never played her before and I`m currently 10:3 in rankeds(one game my mouse broke and one game I had two afks for 5minutes), pretty sure I could`ve gone 13:0 . She is pretty easy to pick up and offers a variety of buildpaths. I`m still not sure how to build her, I like to have 40% cdr so I usually go FH and SV and then just sit on top of people and be annoying as ****. In my last game I tried a magicpen build while still being super tanky(13 flat Magicpen from runes + Sorc shoes + Liandries rest tanky).

Your early game is quite weak, but your lategame is ridiculous. Def helped me to plug my leak of not having any AP Junglers in my championpool,happened so often that my team ended up full AD partially because of me. She is super easy to pick up and fits every teamcomp.

My jungle taric got target banned last night . Playing ranked 5s late at night on oce, i play taric and obviously crush them because op. Next game we ban the same 3 champs and their last ban was taric and we were up against the same team

Some thoughts on fiddle on current patch.

Stalkers is enough mana regen, don't really need rangers. Buying 2-3 mana pots isn't the end of the world, and stalkers is demonstrably better.

Magus imo, is now probably worth upgrading to before getting a zhonyas.
That may seem a bit crazy, but the sheer gold efficiency on magus makes it insane.

1400 for 80ap 20% CDR, vs 1600 nll for 80AP.

It puts ult cooldown <2mins ( I think around 112s ).

The alternate option is probably sitting on machete and then going zhonya, but that seems largely a terrible decision.

If anyone doubts efficacy then compare the upgraded item to old spectral, it's actually even better value, and doesn't put you in a power trough either.

I'm pretty sad since Vi has been beating up NA LCS, she's going back to high banrate pretty soon and almost certainly getting nerfed(not sure what they'll nerf though)

J4 getting nerfed as well, but I think those 2 jumping WR in S5 is just a symptom of the jungle changes which still need work(3rd/4th pot would help so much for ppl like Kha) then anything actually broken about them(neither were that good in S4, especially at pro level)

Just made it out of bronze after ~120 games

Maining zac jungle which i have a 66% winrate with

i want to learn kha zix, i have maybee 30 normal games on him and i cant figure out how not to feed... I never feel like i have an impact on him. Granted, he is the complete opposite of zac.

my basic kha game is me dying 8 times and ks one or two

So, how do i learn to pull my weight with him?

J4/Vi were never bad, they were just below lee/elise/eve pre nerfs.
The main issue is that aggressively early game junglers kind of make the game suck, but that's all LCS players want to pick. So they come up with effective routes/builds and it gets copied instantly.

Then everyone complains about said every game jungler, and the cycle continues to the next champions.

It just took them forever to nerfbat lee/elise because riot reasons, idk.

Congrats on the silver!

Kha is pretty weak right now imo, especially to learn for the first time without knowing various tricks etc. Although Zac jungle is also pretty meh and you seem to be successful with it so who knows . I'd probably try something else besides Kha tho. As seen in the discussion above, Vi/J4 are very strong right now and in almost every game. Lee is lee. Sejuani good but starts off a little slow. Panth good but falls off pretty hard. Fiddles is fiddles.

I liked the early junglers you are in a gold starved role so you kind of suck after 30mins, and then they make you suck till 8 mins as well? So you have fun for 20mins and the rest of the time you are bleh support, new jungle is super unforgiving too. I loved Kha'zix in the old jungle he was never that amazing of a soloQ jungler(all about Ults for SoloQ), clearly great at pro level. He was fun and could stay relevant all game long.

Lee is still the best pro jungler, so somehow he's fought off 12 nerfs, the new jungle ****ing him and it didn't matter

Elise is trash tier so she at least got nerfed down(though she was pretty awful at the end of S4 too)

Thanks for your feedback.

I dont put much weight into "strong meta picks", it is imo much more important that you know the champion you are playing.

And my problem is not his "current weakness", its 100% me. I have never been mechanicly good and I never outplay people 1v1. With zac I can farm up and in teamfights I just need to land on a few people.

Kha, I feel, requires that 1v1 mindset and I dont have it. But I want to learn because I think it will make me an overall better player.

Play Warwick.

No im learning kha damn it

sidenote, just as i brag about my zac i get a 2-8 game. i cant remember the last time i didnt go atleast even, if it has happened.

Oh well, no ****s given.