I play some league. I read a bit on reddit, and follow some of the pro scenes.

It is interesting to see how the theory of the game has come so much shorter than we have in poker. Not only in regards to theme of the thread, but generally. It just seem like the proscene is made up of average smart kids, with too much time and great mechanics.

I want to take up something that really make me cringe when I read something about the League. The misuse of the word meta. I have been playing poker for a few years, and I have a decent idea about how metagaming works. It also exist in League. It is never used to explain metagaming tho. Which is more of a back and forth mindgame.

In league meta is basically the state of the game. How all the sheep perceive the pro players picks. It's all a mind cluster is what it is. Mean while, people keep spewing this word: meta. Making themselves feel pretty damn smart and important.

I don't agree with what meta is in league, and some other games. It is not what it means, and should really just get an other word to explain.

What do u guys think?

yeah meta doesn't mean meta in league

i don't think i've ever felt the need to use meta in it's "proper" sense with regard to league though, so not really an issue

if everyone uses the word meta and everyone knows what it means then its right

Let us call it pancakes then. Have u ever felt the need to use that word in league?

Kidding obv, but meta is an actual thing in all PvP, so it should be used in it's right definition and context

How the casters and a lot of the players talks about "meta", feeling god damn proud of themselves using a word noone knows what mean. I mean come on...

i agree its not really a big deal o.o

im gonna start calling it pancake this is sure to catch on

"split-pushing is really becoming much more prevalent in the current pancake"

Meta is misused in poker, it's misused in League, it's misused in Starcraft, who cares, we know what is trying to be said.

yeah how weird that a greek prefix with a pretty vague meaning can be used in different but somewhat similar contexts to convey different but related meanings

so meta

ftfy

u dont seem to understand how language works better than them.
common definitions and common spelling always overrun the original terms in the end.
one word can have multiple meanings,you see that in philosophy and sciences a lot.
I have no idea why u think noone knows what that mean and lol at the casters using it proudly.

Ive always wanted to try a Veigar/Soraka bot lane
feed Veigar mana, farm Q, late game win

fyp

Veigar not gonna win trades, he'll just get forced out of lane or forced to farm under tower.

You need to match him up with a support that can kill. You just aren't gonna win that lane with a Soraka, imo

veigar is pretty bad in the current pancake, can't lane against anybody

Stop pancaking.

I agree to the idea of how words are formed, meaning what the people make it mean.

The thing is though that meta is a bit abstract. I'm by no means saying that people aren't capable of getting what it is. It is the kind of word that can get misinterpreted and thus fall into a definition which is also a bit vague.

I'm also not a fan of how people approach this "meta", which may be part of my frustration, and not just the word in itself. In this game there is so many variables, which should essentially make almost every champion useful in their own setting. People are too focused on what is considered OP by the proest of scenes (the korean). We can see how the NA scene blatantly copies the korean champs and builds, without using it against the best possible counter, or really adjusting to the other team.

Ofc some stuff are OP and may get nerfed by next patch. It's an everchanging game. The thing is though that people don't dare enough, when a lot of builds and champions are perfect in certain situations, when they would rather pick what everyone considers good. It's a game without much guidelines in itself, and the game has gradually been crafted. I don't think there has been created a perfect strategy. I think there are always better and more effective ways to play the game. We can see how C9 has taken the NA scene with storm, and really have a logic and mathematical approach to the game, while also being mechanically good. I watched an episode of the TSM reality, and just thought how it was possible that the level of play was that low. Reginald (the leader of the team) is just not getting it. He is just not bright enough to lead a top team. He does not perform consistently to be a top tier player, therefore making the team suboptimal. They prob have the biggest fanbase of any league team I guess, and probably make the most from revenues, sponsors and streams. I know Regi owns the team, and loves the game so he won't quit right away. If he want to make his team all it can be with what you can call his brand, he should really put the rest of the world in ashe. By pulling a Hotshot he should be able to do just this. I think the new coach hire from CLG (Montecristo), is something out of Hotshots book of plays. This is a smart move from a team that is very popular, but performing inconsistent. Montecristo seem to be one of the really few that have an allround sound approach, having a really advanced and adjustable strategy. It will be exciting to see what they can do with it.

Kind of got to an off-topic rant here, but it's the league sub forum so I think it's all goodman.

John Goodman iyo?

I honestly using read your post, but I'm just going to give a pre-emptive, I see your point, but I'm going to disagree in advance. I'll give reasons why later on when I get a chance to read it.

haha yeah i'm not quite sure what your point is exactly but i don't disagree. people are generally terrible at innovating and aren't accepting of new strategy until it's proven at the highest level.

but i don't think the word "meta" is to blame, that's just how people are

Oh, apparently my corrected "haven't" to "using" in my first sentence.

Split push udyr is the new meta.

Split pushing w/ udyr is strong in any pancake. While they can prob stop your push with an equally farmed jungler, GL killing without pulling at least a solo laner to come after you. Split push is obv more teamcomp dependent than grouping up (Need a team that functions & can disengage as 3 or 4).

There's some dude who plays a ton of support veigar at diamond level. Not sure what his summoner name is though

Seems like there's more potential there than support Nidalee. My problem with it is that the spells are so dang expensive. Does he Q farm much?

I don't think so? I think he's primarily an AOE stun bot.
His name is SAGA SUP VEIG M

The new pancake is just join live mtt's and finish deep in the cash, but just enough to feel good about yourself, but so deep that it's not sustainable.