We get the same posts every split/season.

Meh, I think NA is the worst region but the circle jerk has gotten so much stronger than in the past it seems. I think the main reason for this is how boring the games are to watch. But people were ****ting on NA when TSM won Katowice and when C9 beat WE/TPA at Katowice the year before. I mean TSM won an international tournament 5 months ago with the exact same roster and now suddenly they are in the dumpster and have 0 chance at beating any team outside NA. For the record I think there's a <1% chance that an NA team wins worlds but this just gets really old.

You can call it a circle-jerk and you can say it's getting old and stuff, but the truth is, is that NA games do not look good.

Sure they may be exciting and everyone can beat everyone but it's much like the eredivisie (dutch football league). No one is really great but everyone can beat everyone and it's more exciting than the premiera division because 2 teams are always on top (Real Madrid and FC Barcelona).

Not that EU is that much better though, only fnatic is standing out, nor that LCK/LPL are like the premiera division because they are actually exciting to watch.

I just think that neither NA or EU (besides fnc) has a chance at worlds at all. The east is much better. The difference between NA and EU however is that EU have more fast paced games which are better to watch than the 1 hour stall fest we had yesterday (imo).

It is so sad that the games are exciting because you never know who is going to throw instead of who is making the better decisions.

You can't deny that primarily NA but also EU just aren't looking that strong.

Korea didn't look all that good either, I certainly wasn't impressed by any Team besides SKT. I haven't watched any chinese games, but after MSI and watching Korea my guess would be that China is by far the strongest Region. Region in the terms that the quality of the average team is higher, not necessarily that they have THE best team(SKT might be the best obviously).

Right now TSM has trouble in a weak region to dominate, while FNC at least dominates the weak region.

KT rolster and CJ entus are not super far behind SKT and are both pretty strong. Could def see them go out of group stages.

China is super strong atm

I'd bet NA #2/3 wins vs EU #2/#3 wins(it'd probably be 3>2 lol)

EU is every bit as bad except for fanatic

group draws will be critical TSM/CLG getting a draw of EDG/EU3/WC probably makes it out of groups. While drawing dead vs China/Korea/WC group. The SE Asia teams are more beatable but still a problem for whoever is NA #1.

If Fanatic gets unlucky and has both a China and Korean team in their group you could easily have NA finish with more wins than EU

I don't know about #2/3 NA/ VS #2/3 EU because I think Origen has the potential to be decent.

I also think FNC has a pretty good chance even with an unlucky group draw

Come on now that's quite the understatement, Korea #2/3 (regardless of it being KT, CJ or Najin) will be favorite to get out of groups unless they get both a Chinese team and Fnatic in their group and in that case it will be close.

Its silly to think that Fnatic will keep a top tier Korean/Chinese team out of the knock out stages. Fnatic will be lucky to get out of group stages unless they draw 2 bad teams also and eek out a victory against a top tier team.

I'd take Origen and H2K over NA-Teams anyday. I think there is quite the huge Dropoff at like the Top 6 of the teams in the World. Afterwards there can be a lot of sloppyness you rarely would ever see in those Top 6 teams.

Real talk though. NA is embarrassingly bad. The best team's game plan is to stall the game out for 50 minutes and wait for the opposing lolna team to make an inevitable mistake so they can win the game from the death timers. TSM don't even try to get kills any more it seems, they just get vision control and wait forever until stuff happens

CLG is drawing dead at worlds, TSM has the capability to pull an upset and make it out of groups even with a not so easy draw.

Dunno think TSM is drawing dead as well. Their early game was poor, good teams are never gonna **** up the midgame as much as TL did to let TSM back in every game.

they could get in a group with a wilcard team and 3rd place EU/one of the southeast asian teams depend on how they seed the teams.

Thats still not a free pass to next round for them, or any NA team for that matter

Of course it's not a free pass, no one said it was. They wouldn't be drawing dead in that group is what people are saying.

I wonder who wrote this

https://www.reddit.com/r/offmychest/..._with_my_life/

sucks for him to be burned out, but only interesting part about that was how they don't get paid to win, just to not lose? is that kind of non-incentives there in all teams?

could explain NA suckage

I think it's a 4chan style wall of fiction.

Ya idk who played at a high lvl all those older games, has played since beta, and is on a mid tier team? Like all the OG players aren't in the LCS anymore.

Worst groupdraw the NA #1 Seed could get is #2 KR and CN and #3 EU.

Best draw they could get is #2 LMS, #2 EU and Wildcard.

FYP

Just did some calculations, if I'm not mistaken the odds to draw #2 LMS or #2 EU are 100/7= 14.29% , to draw both its (100/7 =14.29%) * (100/6 =16.67) = 2.38%

If they draw both they are guaranteed a WC. Drawing #2 EU or #2NA is really important for both NA/EU as it would guarantee that they would get a WC.

Odds for worst groupdraw:

0.79%

Odds for having #2/3 CN and #2/3 KR + EU#3 : 9.42 %

Odds for having #2/3 CN and #2/3 KR : 28.57%

Pretty massive variance here. With the best case, they might be a favorite to advance. Worst case, they'd probably be <1%.

I'd rate teams at world as this

GOD TIER #1CN, #2CN, SKT

TIER 1 FNC/CN#3

TIER 2 KR#2/KR#3/AHQ

TIER 3 OG/TSM/#2 LMS

and the rest has no chance at all to win more than 1 game

I really think best chinese teams will **** on everybody in those worlds, and I think SKT is closer to TIER 1 teams like FNC and CN#3 than they are to the best chinese teams. Maybe it's even the 3 chinese team in GOD tier and SKT/FNC alone in T2

doesn't the LMS consistently beat EU and NA teams at international events? Why don't they ever get a top seeding?