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05-13-2015 , 10:04 PM
Yeah... I hope he finds a way out of the Ex-pro -> Stream grind, since there's no way he's making QTpie levels of money at this point. It will be interesting to see where ex-pros end up in 5, or 10 years time.
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05-14-2015 , 08:22 AM
Link's 18 page CLG tell all
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...eview?sle=true

What a hot mess

Last edited by Nonfiction; 05-14-2015 at 08:37 AM.
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05-14-2015 , 08:42 AM
Doublelift's response to criticism:

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I'm a "shotcaller due to aggressive and loud voice" - First, I can't control my voice. ... All his points about me being overbearing, loud, calling for ganks, forcing us into unfavorable lanes for my benefit - ****ing hilarious. Maybe relative to the 2 mute solo laners I played with for 3 years
lol

DL would rather bully his solo laners into silence for three years to prop up personal stats than encourage them to speak up, listen to their input and lower his voice, and try to win games.

GUYS I CAN'T HELP THE SHOUTING, BOT TRIBUSH UNWARDED FOR LIKE FIVE MINUTES.
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05-14-2015 , 09:03 AM
amazing document
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05-14-2015 , 09:15 AM
doublelift has obviously been a net negative for a long time, he thinks he's world class when he's a mediocre player other than in lane
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05-14-2015 , 09:20 AM
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doublelift has obviously been a net negative for a long time, he thinks he's world class when he's a mediocre player other than in lane
HOW DARE YOU
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05-14-2015 , 09:34 AM
fav parts

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All the games we cleanly sweeped guess what happened? Our top laner was strong! We 4-0d tsm I think during the season and it was a large part of me tilting dyrus and making sure nien was strong.
standard

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seraph literally hated dexter and told him to never gank top (which was ****ing hilarious btw)


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I was pretty much just a sub at this point. I proceeded to sub for like every team. Likewise, CLG Black everyone shifted around. Benny would play jungle sometimes when we needed a top lane sub (like wings/cruzer). Zuna moved to adc with blood and did pretty well. We even had short dog (Meteos) sub for us. wat a stomp (that’s when I knew that guy was going to be a top tier player btw). ****ing normal game superstar.
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The biggest difference that I noticed was that Dexter was a follower whereas Meteos was a leader. He’d do or tell people what he wanted in the early game. He had a plan of how to play the game and that’s something that literally 99.9% in NA doesn’t do and the BIGGEST REASON WHY WE ARE TERRIBLE AS A REGION.
Meteos god

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Me and lemon created like a level 1 push strat that we used in ranked 5s to win a lot of the times. He was a well known janna player too and he’d also spend time with me doing mastery page theorycrafting as well. Hoodstomp wasn’t really satisfied with his performance mainly because lemon kept on wanting to play nautilus support LOL.
Lemon like 3 years ahead of the meta
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05-14-2015 , 09:43 AM
I read all of what link wrote and it seems that NA in general is much less motivated to play scrims and improve compared to korea/china

Feels like the gap betweeen na and the rest is massive
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05-14-2015 , 10:16 AM
The saddest part for NA was how he rated junglers.
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05-14-2015 , 11:02 AM
Link and Doublelift seem to have the same problem where they wont follow anyone because they always think they know better but they wont lead because then they would have to take responsibility for their mistakes.
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05-14-2015 , 11:15 AM
lol this is fantastic
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05-14-2015 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bottomset
doublelift has obviously been a net negative for a long time, he thinks he's world class when he's a mediocre player other than in lane
Marksman is such a non-carry position in the current meta. CLG and Team Liquid both put too much priority in that slot, whereas Team Impulse/TSM/C9 are prioritizing it properly. Having the best player on your team play Marksman is bad because he's just going to rage and become toxic if the rest of his team is outmatched which will ensure he's shut down.
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05-14-2015 , 01:30 PM
Yo Deft go mid you are too good for ADC don't want you to rage

Also we saw how good TSM is with their jungleprioritization

Spoiler:
not so good


Link went all vvortic and that is his teammates are holding him back.

Misses Lissandra ulti which leads to a lost teamfight "Well we shouldn't have fought in the first place, not my fault"

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A lot of people blamed me for picks and me failing my lissandra ulti when in reality it was a god awful fight that we shouldn’t have even took
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB7Y4fSidqA

I think it was this, best part out of all is that the fight really only started when link went in they just got a ton of freehits on Dyrus.

Last edited by NiSash1337; 05-14-2015 at 01:46 PM.
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05-14-2015 , 01:35 PM
yeah link did not come off well there. complaining about nobody taking responsibility and blamegaming and then doing the exact same time (but it's ok, he tried first. like once or smth!)
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05-14-2015 , 01:44 PM
Actually those link lissandra games, you could invisible E across certain walls to get sick setups and it seemed like despite being commonly known he never used it despite being pretty much in locations where it was useable, so I guess the team forced lissandra on him and he never knew about that. ( It was patched a little while after ).
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05-14-2015 , 02:57 PM
Teams need to be flexible and carry from all positions in order to adapt to meta changes and max exploit enemy team weaknesses etc. Watching the SKT vs EDG comms vid just shows how far ahead asian teams are.

Faker is the God of midlane yes, but they communicate well as a team. Faker was else where on the map, but as a main shotcaller he looks at the map and was communicating to wolf what he needs to do (flash, use your q to escape). I don't think I've ever heard someone on western teams communicate this way, and it's not like faker is a dictator- just the main shotcaller. Marn and Bengi was communicating as well and only Bang and Wolf are passive followers.

For EDG they have language barriers, but clearlove and Koro1 were beasts not only with their plays but also communication. Deft and Pawn are mostly just listening but still talk in English from time to time. If they fix this issue with the Korean imports EDG should be close to SSW level. Imo the best position to shotcall should be the jungler followed by the support and then mid.

CLG's team environment is just so toxic with big ego doublelift not respecting anyone's calls, and when push comes to shove ppl just resort to listening to his loud voice. No one can step up- it's much easier to be a passive listener and not face blame afterwards. The only way they can get better is if they have a bigger ego than doublelift who can fulfill the shotcalling role and gets his respect, or they replace doublelift.
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05-14-2015 , 03:05 PM
Also looking at the body language and voice comms it's quite clear coaches in asia command the proper respect. kkOma puts his arm on Faker's shoulder and gives him reassurance for the leblanc pick and the team listens to him.

This just doesn't happen on Western teams at all, but this might be because the coaching thing is fairly new in the west, and the players are still quite cocky and many feel coaching should not be a thing. Just look at Gambit. I don't know if there can be any coach that gains the respect of CLG tbh. Even on TSM, I feel that the players respect Regi's authority but not really his League knowledge. And although we don't really know, I don't see loco getting the same respect kkOma does.
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05-14-2015 , 03:15 PM
Saw a rumor that after MSI faker agree to go to China but SKT rejected ~US$2.5million and is asking some ridiculous amount none of the bosses want to pay
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05-14-2015 , 03:20 PM
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Saw a rumor that after MSI faker agree to go to China but SKT rejected ~US$2.5million and is asking some ridiculous amount none of the bosses want to pay
As if 2.5 mil isn't ridiculous
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05-14-2015 , 03:52 PM
If faker leaves Korea too then China will for sure be the dominant region.
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05-14-2015 , 04:02 PM
don't underestimate easyhoon, he seriously impressed me recently
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05-14-2015 , 04:06 PM
I'm not saying it as in it's the best player now in China. It's more of a trend setting/momentum moment should Faker go to China. I don't see the Korean lol scene rising up to compete if something like this happens.
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05-14-2015 , 04:07 PM
Korea will just become a feeder area if that happens, kind of like CW is a feeder team for eu talent, they can find and develop it but cant afford to keep it once they have it.

( sort of already is ).
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05-14-2015 , 04:18 PM
Faker is a superstar in Korea, he is too popular to have any reason to leave. He makes a ton of money while being at home and I don't think he wants to give that up. Outside of money everything will be better in Korea than it is in China. I'd go as far to say that the longterm value of staying in Korea is >>> than going to China.
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05-14-2015 , 04:19 PM
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Saw a rumor that after MSI faker agree to go to China but SKT rejected ~US$2.5million and is asking some ridiculous amount none of the bosses want to pay
where did you see this?
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