Gp10 is really crucial on champs like Amu/Maokai.

I used to get spirit stone and not get philo, but I've had much better results with never upgrading machete, then going philo/aegis.

You NEVER want to get spirit stone and philo, its a mistake I've seen people make, but that is too much gold to spend on sustain on champs that need to be tanky.

Kinda surprise how good nunu is as a support in these tournament games. Always knew he was good, but not THAT GOOD.

Same with Jungle Cho.

I find that I honestly like Upgraded spirit stone because it gives you good lane clearing and jungle clearing, like really fast clearing. It lets you gank more often. imo anyways

But yes, philo and spirit stone is terrible

yes. on syndra as well. it adds like 600 dmg to her ult. i think it will be fixed at some point.

From SaintVicious AMA on redd:

Q: On cho I saw you went Philo stone before the spirit stone. Is there any reason for this other than the gp10?

A: Spirit stone blows and Phili builds into shurels

I rush shurelyas on amumu and Olaf. If I played mao I would probably rush it on him too. It increases your gank potential immensely. I'll usually go warmogs next (ridiculously good item right now) and then aegis/bulwark.

I was talking amumu

****ing urgot

I don't understand the butthurt nerdrage. I play a few chars. If I can play adc, I'll play vayne or ezreal. If I play support, I'll play jarvan or Nami. If I play top I'll play Jarvan.

Do I need your permission to play the chars I want to play?

I've had the worst teams today in terms of attitude and skill. Down so much elo

I think he's saying that spirit stone is trash in general, not specifically on cho.

I Might be wrong tho. Or he.

Do whatever you want.

But in the span of a month, you were all "OMG I'M SO TRASH AT THIS GAME, I PLAY VAYNE EVERY GAME NO MATTER WHAT, BECAUSE I'M ONLY GOOD WITH HER!"

Advice was given to you on how to play better, and how to expand your roles so you're not trolling everyone in ranked.

"OMG VAYNE IS GOOD GUYS, YOU GOTTA MAKE LIKE 1200 ZEPHYRS AND IE AND BT OMG, AND BLACK CLEAVER OMG GUISE! LOOK I WENT LIKE 23/4/9 IN MY PAST 100 GAMES!"
Advice was given as to what you should really do..

"OMG GUYS I'M STILL 950 ELO WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?"

More advice is given.

<Some strategy is discussed about higher ELO play>
<Insert you> " LOL GUYS YOU ARE STUPID, YOU JUST NEED TO DO THIS. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! THIS WORKS!"

A few days pass -

"OMG GUYS DOUBLELIFT WAS RAPING PEOPLE WITH HIS MECHANICS LOL ****TING ON PEOPLE, I BEEN DOING THIS AND DYING LESS AND IM RAPING"

"GUYS IM STILL 950 ELO WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?

"GUYS I WANT TO QUIT BECAUSE I BEEN PLAYING THIS GAME TOO MUCH, WHAT CAN I DO TO GET BETTER? OMG HELP ME"

My point is: shut up, if you're not going to take any of the advice that you're given. People vastly superior to you are giving you advice and trying to help you. You haven't done anything that they've said, because it's proven by your match history - 10 game match history all as Vayne, ranked, like 24/7. Revolving door of Vayne, no normals, nothing else. You're not trying to even better yourself as a player, you're just picking Vayne no matter what. You're just wasting our time responding to you and we're wasting our time reading your posts when they're the same god damn thing, since you started posting here.

I ain't even mad. I'm just showing you how you sound.

why you so mad jack

I'm full of rage, brah.

Watch crumbzz or Dominate the two most chill players.

Wonder how popular top lane warmogs Kat is gonna become.

If I said I want your body, would you hold it against me?

drop the beat jack and take it to the verse now

Not sure who is gayer. Me for saying that or you for knowing it

I've stocked up a decent amount of support chars, gonna start branching out a bit more. Picked up amumu since my only real jungler is skarner, and I've had a blast with him so far. My only adcs are ashe/sivir/kayle so I'm gonna get caitlyn next.

amumu is banned most of the time in ranked but every blue moon you'll be able to get him.

theres nothing gay about Britney dude

I mean, I will. The time it took you to write the rest of that post is laughable. We're talking about a video game. If you dislike my views then there is an ignore function. Use it.

Nocturne and lee sin are good pick ups for junglers.

Kayle isnt a good adc. Maybe grab graves or ezreal. Caitlyn is ok too. Ashe is easy and cheap to learn with. Tristana is free.