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11-26-2011 , 06:27 PM
pretty sure that is the opposite of the correct strategy
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11-26-2011 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by martenJ
i dont get how noone blames himself in this game. its always the other 4 guys in ur team that suck obv

95+% of all pics ITT have a >= 2 KDR too. clearly you guys carry every single game and just get unlucky ur teammates are bad.
I mean, it's not like anyone is gonna come post a game where they fed hard. People post when they rape or their teammates are idiots lol.
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11-26-2011 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kyleb
not me. i played bad from 1450 down to 1250. also ran bad too but certainly did not help myself in most of the games
are there elements of luck in this game? i dont see em except for the quality of ur teammates and thats a leak in the matchmaking system and not the game itself imo.

im pretty sure theres zero luck in sc2 1on1 matches FWIW

Last edited by martenJ; 11-26-2011 at 06:33 PM. Reason: i suck at both games so i could be wrong obv
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11-26-2011 , 06:33 PM
general variety of what you get in the matchmaking system represents a decent band of randomness

they counter the randomness in solo by heavily penalizing duo queues but there is still a clear advantage by duo queueing

just because it's a leak doesn't mean it's not luck. but your overall point is certainly correct
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11-26-2011 , 06:36 PM
those guys QQing " so lucky 40 HP" bla bla bla in chat are obviously not very smart.

maybe the other guy plays better in general, uses his spells better, is better at decision making etc.
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11-26-2011 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by martenJ
i dont get how noone blames himself in this game. its always the other 4 guys in ur team that suck obv

95+% of all pics ITT have a >= 2 KDR too. clearly you guys carry every single game and just get unlucky ur teammates are bad.
who wants to post pics where they do bad

and there is luck in this game, tons of it. If Im shaco lvl 2/3 gank on top mid works alot easier than duo lane with a warded support - however which lane I choose my first gank with depends entirely on which way the map is situated

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11-26-2011 , 07:01 PM
Is there any way to get to level 30 faster other than just mass grinding? I'm at level 15 now and I feel like this is taking forever.

Also, just went 11/1/12 with fiddle, he's fun.
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11-26-2011 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by thac
Is there any way to get to level 30 faster other than just mass grinding? I'm at level 15 now and I feel like this is taking forever.

Also, just went 11/1/12 with fiddle, he's fun.
xp boosts and dominion

I really suggest you grind it out, no real advantage to 30 other than ranked ques but queing as a fresh 30 generally means you get stomped. An irl friend is 700 elo after jumping into it from coop vs ai and dominion
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11-26-2011 , 07:13 PM
Bought Udyr, loving it.

Anybody have suggestions for builds for him and stuff?
I phoenix jungle, build turtle next ,then bear.

Also, what do you guys suggest for runes?
I don't plan to buy a new slot anytime soon, so I have like an AP and AD page.

I plan to just get yellow armor (both), red magic pen(for AP), red armor pen(for AD), blue armor(both).

i have more magic resist than armor in my builds, so a lot of armor isnt bad.. but any suggestsions?
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11-26-2011 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
xp boosts and dominion

I really suggest you grind it out, no real advantage to 30 other than ranked ques but queing as a fresh 30 generally means you get stomped. An irl friend is 700 elo after jumping into it from coop vs ai and dominion
agreed

simply grinding bot games and dominion isn't gonna prepare you for ranked

the skill gap is giant, really huge. by the time you hit 30 you haven't even gotten down the second most important thing in the game probably: last hitting
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11-26-2011 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by martenJ
those guys QQing " so lucky 40 HP" bla bla bla in chat are obviously not very smart.

maybe the other guy plays better in general, uses his spells better, is better at decision making etc.
Well, there is that decision point whether you try to engage in a 1v1 and it can be a real close decisions at times. If you do engage and end up winning but come away with 1% health then there's no way you could calculate all the variables fast enough in your head that you knew you'd come out ahead. Or maybe you can through experience, idk.

This is assuming both of you used your skills optimally of course.
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11-26-2011 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by kyleb
agreed

simply grinding bot games and dominion isn't gonna prepare you for ranked

the skill gap is giant, really huge. by the time you hit 30 you haven't even gotten down the second most important thing in the game probably: last hitting
most important?
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11-26-2011 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by martenJ

im pretty sure theres zero luck in sc2 1on1 matches FWIW
There is luck in sc2. Say for example you spawn to the left of your opponent, but you send your scout to the right. That is one of the few scenarios I can think of though.
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11-26-2011 , 07:19 PM
don't feed
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11-26-2011 , 07:24 PM
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most important?
Dont queue with jodo?
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11-26-2011 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by martenJ
are there elements of luck in this game? i dont see em except for the quality of ur teammates and thats a leak in the matchmaking system and not the game itself imo.

im pretty sure theres zero luck in sc2 1on1 matches FWIW
this week I had a straight 10 game streak where I had 3v5 twice,4v5 4 times,1 intent feeder(no items and 3cs all game just run into the enemy) and 3 d/c on top of all of this.

There is ton of luck in sc2 and all the pros are saying it too.
A lot of build orders are complete coin flips situation and at equal skills you can win many flips in a row (hi variance).

The thing is a game of LoL is min 20min and average a lot more,and it is very possible to have long ****ty streak no matter how u have an impact on your team.
That translate in so many hours that it gets on you.

One thing I've changed in my game now is never surrender(unless intent feeder,not just someone playing bad).
At my level everything can happen if we keep playing and I used to always wanting to surrender when we where behind(or seemed so) and realise now I missed a lot of potential victories back then.
I also changed my champs,I play karthus mid whenever I can or sion anywhere.
I don't play support anymore and try to farm a max,playing more focused and watching streams helping a lot.
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11-26-2011 , 07:50 PM
I hate losing streaks

I don't feel confident in any of my champs right now
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11-26-2011 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by kyleb
general variety of what you get in the matchmaking system represents a decent band of randomness

they counter the randomness in solo by heavily penalizing duo queues but there is still a clear advantage by duo queueing

just because it's a leak doesn't mean it's not luck. but your overall point is certainly correct
I lose everytime duo queue, but win everytime I solo.!
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11-26-2011 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by martenJ
i dont get how noone blames himself in this game. its always the other 4 guys in ur team that suck obv

95+% of all pics ITT have a >= 2 KDR too. clearly you guys carry every single game and just get unlucky ur teammates are bad.
That's usually how I feel and always take a look at my own game first, but honestly it feels like I'm playing the best I have in a long while. That probably the most frustrating part about it.
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11-26-2011 , 08:34 PM
Uhm if you guys are gonna put luck=variance then yes, sc2 and even chess got tons of variance. Just look at the openers in both games, à sc2 PRO cant have just one opener in his range (example macro build) or he will get stomped by specialized cheese builds on ALL close quarter maps. Idra is a good example. He in the beginning of sc2 went ballistic everytime he got cheesed, even threw the games prematurely. Massive +ev to cheese him. They need to have varying openers to protect themself from being exploited. The luck/variance part here can come in form as even if youre perfectly balanced in your openers he can hit you with counterstrats bunch of games before he even got to scout you because he tries to luckbox a win against a superior opponent lategame.
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11-26-2011 , 08:54 PM
Riven is brokenly good in top lane. Learn riven, receive elo
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11-26-2011 , 09:40 PM
gold!
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11-26-2011 , 10:44 PM
proof that variance exists
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11-27-2011 , 01:03 AM
I dropped to 1120 after 19games, almost exclusively my fault, I had one game where I was 9-1 with udyr and btm went 1-13 but beyond that I played pretty bad in the 9losses and a bunch of the wins
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11-27-2011 , 01:16 AM
snowden numba wan
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