I guess Trinity Force is best now? (Sheen -> Zeal -> Phage perhaps?) (although you want Sheen first only if you can buy it completely, the individual pieces are worst.) TF gives ton of stats and the passives go really well Lucian.

So finalthoughts on Nidalee:

AP-Nid is dead, I had the thought of building her like Ryze (RoA, Tear, FH or Frozenfist and then rest tanky) it could be good if they changed her spear back. As it is her spear is just super useless as it`s so hard to hit.

Top AD bruiser:

Probably close to like before, I can`t remember the base values of Nid before and I´m too lazy to look it up. Her Bushkiteing has gotten stronger and you should have an edge against all the Melee toplaners early. You probably don`t have an edge against all Rangedchamps and you most likely will be outscaled. Big problem is also that you don`t get MR per lvl and that they took away the extra movementspeed of cougar which I didn`t see at first.

I think if they change back the spear + movementspeed she would be cool and strong to play with a lot of possible buildpaths. Maybe make the duration of hunt longer as at the moment when you throw a spear and then walk towards a hunted target(If you use w to gapclose you cant jump to them) they will just run away and be out of range before you can jump to them. Maybe reduce the cooldown of w to zero once you are in range to jump to a hunted target.


Overall pretty dissappointed and it just shows again how useless the PBE-Servers and how incompetent riots balancingcrew is.

Yes lets give her back what makes toxic

Sorry but no spell on a 6sec cd should ever do 1k damage if you give it the 15+ cd it should have people would hate that

It was the only skillshot that hitting 30% was free objectives and you got 2+ of them for every other big skillshot like blitz/thresh hooks

So midlane nid is dead so what there are 120 champs and its impossible to balance both lanes needs more diversity than mid atm

Elise isn't a toplaner anymore noone minds

I didn`t say they should give her back her dmg, besides there have been 3 nerfs to Q alone in this patch.

Athenes,her dmg and the projectile

Maxrange spear 500 AP:

1390 DMG

Maxrange spear 500 AP:

1050 DMG

If they want they can take some more dmg as long as they make the spears bigger.

Also I don`t care about pure spearthrowing AP Nid, I´m talking about AP-Bruiser Nid. You can`t hit spears at the moment, they are just too tiny if you hit your spear the target is most of the time out of range for your "hunt". Why have the spear when that`s the problem on her kit and when you make it super useless anyways.

I just don´t get how they balance they don´t balance a champ they kill them.

Khazix
Soraka
Olaf
Ap Gragas
Ap Nid

for example in the recent patches

edit:

All I want to say is most of the time the nerfs are justified(especially soraka for example), but they are just clueless about how they do it and they leave out a lot of potential. I see great potential in how Nid could be but right now it feels like the normal servers are for testing otherwise I can`t explain their nerfs.

They can take a few months out of the spotlight, khazix is incredibly hard to balance He's had 2 super toxic runs he will be back when they over buff him

Twisted fate for example was #1toxic got nerfed hard and was still solid but people left him alone now he's back and in a pretty good place (prob still op)

who cares? nidalee was the most toxic champion ever. like its not fun being on her team and its not fun being up against her. it makes the game so boring having to just watch her throw nukes while the team does nothing till she hits like 2-3

The most consistent balancing issues happen with 2 subsets of kits

Transform Champions, 3 extra abilities generally adds way to much utility, and creates a super early power spike at lvl3 vs the typical lvl6. It's extra bad with nid/elise since half their spells are manaless, at least Jayce is heavily mana gated

Global ults incredibly hard to keep in check and almost every global has received multiple nerfs

The most broken champs usually fall in one of those 2 categories

Totally agree with this, especially being on her team. Gotta love those support nidalees who never build sightstone and make sure they KS every single time.

i stumbled upon some 1hr lol training videos, mostly powerpoint slides in youtube, but i forgot the name. if someone knows what i'm talking about, could you link them to me?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeG...LVttCJzjIJLY1g

Have you guys noticed how when a champion is broken for a reason, they tend to nerf a champion a very contrived way while never nerfing the reason he is broken? They even go as far as buffing the aspects that were considered overpowered.
Problem:
Kassadin is broken due to his high mobility and safe gameplay.
Solution:
Make it more mobile and add a shield for safety.
What should happen:
Either make him less mobile to avoid such easy roaming or reduce his safety/damage to make the ganks weaker.

Problem:
Leblanc deals too much damage without giving a chance of non targets to fight back.
Solution:
Remove delayed cc.
What should happen: We should ignore the fact that the target is not able to fight back, he is going to die if leblanc applies her burst on him, you should make it more costly for her to go in a target who is close to his team. Increase delay between W casts.
Alternatively you can increase her wave clearing weakness by reducing W base damage but increasing either q or E base damage. That way you allow for the enemy mid laner to counter her early mobility with fast waveclears.

Problem:
Nidalee roams too fast, pokes too hard, has too much sustain and has decent burst.
She also has the conflicted purpose anti pattern where the character was designed to both poke and assasinate, and you can maximize damage by either staying really far or going in for the kill.
Solution:
Make the poking necessary for bursting. Greatly decreasing damage if either is done without the other.
Reduce mobility.
Reduce sustain.

Actually they did pretty well on this one.
And to be honest, the leblanc nerf did remove the conflicted purpose on Deathfire Grasp, which is an item made for High cooldown High burst AP assasins. And it still is somewhat of a nerf so, that's good.

The end.

Edit:Nidalee's anti pattern is actually called the anti combo.

ty reid

^ agree completely with the above, except i see the nid situation a bit differently.
her problem was exclusively the damage on spears + their "spamminess". Then you have champions like corki and kassadin(i think) where their ultis cost exponentially more mana if u spam them. but that wasn't even considered for her?

Seems to me like the easiest and most obv first tweak (sort of a tester rather than outright changing her completely from the get go) was the nerf they've already done to the missile width of the spear, as well as adding the exponential mana increase on spears and maybe tweak their damage down a bit (maybe just take out the execute? since it's a poke ability rather than an assassin ability). Then you can go from there and see what happens and make further tweaks.

I also find the kha zix situation HI-****ing-LARIOUS. Pre this season his ult was the way it is now and he was somewhat stronger (he's been hit with Q nerfs). They started by changing his ult to mitigate dmg (even tho he's an assassin and his ult = stealth anyway), then realized oh wait, now kha zix is too stronk so they nerfed him to be weaker than he was pre-ult changes when apparently he wasn't at all OP (at least judging by the fact that they decided to buff his ulti evolve

basically if u were to rank his strength from 0-10 he'd be 7.5 before his initial ult evolve change, then he was like 8.5 and now he's maybe 6.8? makes no ****ing sense

*don't get attached to the nrs, they're purely random

How is takedown not an assassin ability?
Kitty is an assasin.
Nidalee is a poker.

right but spears had execute as well, didn't they? i was talking about that, not takedown, takedown def needs to have execute.
yes!
exactly why i dont see the reason for execute on spears

lack of morgana q duration nerf is mindboggling as well. i basically main morg supp when i don't get adc, q is ridic strong.pretty sure it makes qss a necessity when playing adc vs her unless you have LCS lvl micro. way easier for them to hit than you to dodge and the duration of the root makes the risk/reward ratio really bad for you imo.

ffs went 5/2/7 or sth in a (lost) 4v5 where our adc never connected and i'd started ward+gold generation item and bought ROA at like 18 mins.oh and we had a rammus jungle /facepalm

played jayce in aram. muramana (transformed) + essence reaver was actually an effective combo. i could keep muramana's active always togged on, since essence reaver would refill any mana it used.

Her spears do more damage the farther they travel. Think you're confusing that with an execute.

Essence reaver and tear of the goddess are redundant items. Do not buy a mana item if you already have enough mana problems, tear of the goddess is enough on jayce.
Additionally, if you are willing to spend money on more mana, the combo is only effective late game. Early and mid you are still left with the weak tear+ essence purchases having wasted a lot of money on money you won't use untill muramana.
You also cannot delay purchasing reaver because you will be left without life steal, and if you buy another item, say bloodthirster, then you are overspending on lifesteal as well as mana by the time you get your essence reaver.
No justification for buying 2 mana items.

i listed the justification, and i only bought it as a 6th item. i do realize they both provide mana though!

Was this some kind of glass cannon jayce?

Is there any reason riftwalk should do damage?

Isn't the fact he has a spell that everyone else has wait 5mins for and he has every 3-7sec enough, its far and away the strongest gap closer/escape and somehow has a cd 1/3 other closer/escapes

you can't ever look at one ability, why does shaco have the best non ult spell in the game and it gives 20% extra dmg?

as a part of a kit the dmg on riftwalk makes kassadin smoother. if you take it away you have to shift it else where, and I guarentee you dont' want kassadin with a much stronger q/e

It's ok, kassadin has to put himself in danger to do full damage. Pre patch, it was common for kasadins to silence slow and gtfo with the ult, this was weak but it was safe as balls. Imagine if they took away the damage from his ult and shifted it to his slow and silence, that would ahve been worst.

i currently only have kayle and soraka unlocked for support. a friend of mine said kayle "shouldn't" be played as support since she's too good in mid or something, is this true?
fwiw im not even lvl30 yet so any champ i play im obv bad at

edit. according to championselect, kayle is veeery versatile, is it more of a case of what my other teammembers have picked?

if u have to play support kayle is perfectly fine