janna and aatrox 1v2 me top. i kill janna, do a good bit of damage to aatrox, and then die.

while this is going on my entire team is mid, 4v3.

we get aced

???

I've found that in most games, you are the glue that holds it all together. If you're not there with the team, they WILL lose EVERY TIME.

fk bot lanes. everyone and their god damn mother complains so much about the adc role. i know its tough to lane with some **** head support or **** head adc but that doesnt give you the right to just die like 5 times in lane over and over again. like there is nothing wrong with going defensive build like BT if you are feeding or getting avarice and just farming ur ass off rather than o he has bf, i have avarice. lets fight anyway

just cant win anymore. doesnt matter how far i get ahead or how many lanes i snowball or how many huge fid ults i hit. teams just lose lose lose.

yeah variance is huge

Nah it's not variance, Fiddle is just a bad champion and limits your options ingame. You can't do much with Fiddle expect trying to suprise ulti opponents.

He has no proper objective control, invading ,skirmishing,outplaypotential or really anything that you would want to have on a jungler. Play different junglers and you'll prob have more success.

That's why I love Udyr, I can do everything with the champion. I can do early Barons, I can invade and counterjungle, I can skirmish, I can splitpush etc. etc. I can just use my Brain and adjust to the situation and react accordingly with Fiddle I would've to hope that opponents make a positional mistake rather than me capitalizing on small edges that accumulate.

honestly nisash i think you are right. fiddle feels so weak now. i can no longer hyper carry games like i could before. i dont have the same sustain in the jungle. it takes longer to hit any sort of powerspike. builds are a mess. a jungle only champion that cant even build a jungle item.

ive been really frustrated playing him. even when i win, i feel like i just played a utility role and had to rely heavily on my teammates. before i could just control the game.

might be time to pick up a new champ if i wanna make it back to diamond. udyr might be a good choice. i used to main him a long time ago, so it probably won't take long for the mechanics to come.

also considering xin or amumu, both champions ive played before.

I got the Amumu hype when Hai busted it out.

bump

Support is the role most inclined to be affected by variance. I am not a Call of Duty fan therefore my rating is not what it would be if I could convert my skill as a support to a Call of Duty role. MMR/ELO is rigged against the support role since it is a ranking system based upon individual performance that is being determined by a role that is dependent on other people.

I don't think this is true, in fact I think it's the opposite.

if a support goes 1/1/9 in a 12/26 game, while warding successfully and the mid goes 0-9 and top goes 1-7, can a support carry that?

No more likely than a 1/1/9 jungle in a 12/26 game with an 0-9 mid and 1-7 top can carry it, which kind of is the point. Each role is going to have plenty of games that are extremely difficult to carry from, and really we're not even talking about "carrying" games. Talking about "carrying" kind of misses the point. Supports have a huge amount of influence every game, because they greatly affect the performance of 4 different players in the game. Furthermore, 2 of the 4 players they greatly affect are the ADCs, which is arguably the most important role once you get to the late game when games are most often won/lost in solo q. Supports are the main factors that dictate how bottom lane goes, which makes them very important.

You should have watched my last game then. I was Janna. We won but it was because of our mid lane akali getting super fed and carrying. I babysat twitch all lane long but he got caught by a blitz hook literally 7 times in about 5 minutes. He died over and over and over and there was only so much I could do. I didnt die at all in lane and I felt like I did a decent job zoning. Once lane ended I basically put all of my efforts into protecting the fed akali but if she hadnt dominated her lane we would have certainly been completely wrecked and I know with CERTAINTY that the bot lane failure was not my fault, but twitch's for constantly getting grabbed.

As I said- each role has its share of games which are to some large degree out of their hands.

And I think that you could probably find empirical evidence that shows that support in low elo has more of those types of games than any other role. I mean so many people of higher rankings seem to act like what I mentioned above is more like the exception, but the truth is that games like those are extremely common. I would say at the VERY least 5/10.

I think high elo people are like a lot of really wealthy people in society. Lots of them talk about how 'bad' it is as a poor person and offer all sorts of tips for people to get out of it, but they also lose sight of how oppressive the lower rungs of society are because they don't live in it. I'm not saying you guys' tips aren't right but I'm certain that if you just spent a month in silver playing strictly support you would at least believe that what I am saying has some credence.

Most of my friends who have passed me in rank play a carry role... mid, top, jungle, adc. I don't have any personal friends who main support in solo queue and they all seem to think I am crazy for even trying...

a 1-1-9 Yi is going to make a lot more difference in a game than a 1-1-9 Janna is. I dont see how it can be compared.

This whole idea of carrying is misguided. Like that epic fan vid, League is a game of inches. You win games by doing things slightly better/less worse than your opponents.

I don't know how you guys are but when I'm mid going say 5/2 is a very good game for me, while 4/7 would be a game where I'm a big part of the problem. You win so much games by never going 0/5, maybe more than you'll win by going 6/0.

@Akali example: she probably didn't get fed because she was so good she styled all over an average opponent having an average game in your division, but because her opponent was about as bad as your twitch that constantly got grabbed.

You will definitely have bad games. A big thing is to don't be heavy and let your team carry you. Just play save if you go 0-1. Maybe you get ganked and go 0-2 but there is no reason to go 0-6 in laning and basically make the game impossible to win.

Just learn to play save and come back. This may mean losing 2 cs per wave because you get zoned, but if you take the other 4 cs you may outscale after all or let the team win the game for you.

Also being 5-0 it's now more important than ever to not die for nothing (dieing in a teamfight when you ace them enemy 5-1 isn't so bad since it may be unavoidable)

"You can carry every game" is one of the worst and most misleading phrases that a struggling player can ever hear. It sends completely the wrong message.

Take someone that's been playing for a year and never broke Silver. No matter what he does, he's not going to win the next 20 games in a row because he theoretically could have carried all those games. It is outside the realm of possibility for him. Yes, a Diamond player might do that (if he played those exact same games), but how is that even relevant to the Silver guy? It's not possible for him to make the quantum leap in skill required to reach that state of having the ability to carry all those games.

A much better phrase is "You can always play better". And if you consistently work at playing better you will be rewarded.

Why are we still discussing this, if he wants to get better he has to post replays and stop crying.

You might rise slightly slower as a support player but a gold level support will get out of silver in under 100 games

If he's good enough. Chances are: it's where he belongs. Like 60% of the player base is in silver and bronze. It's fine to be average. If you want to be above average, then that person is going to need to put in some extra effort.

I'm pretty confident I could get anyone that isn't mentally handicapped, out of silver with a maximum of 5 hours of coaching.

As for the discussion about support and carrying, it is true that you won't be able to carry as hard as a mid/jungle/top/adc in lower elo, but you still will be able to have really high winrates and get out of Silver really quickly. Also as you climb the carrypotential of carries goes down and the carrypotential of supports climbs.

I agree that a lot of people are able to be coached out of silver, but there are quite a few hopeless cases.