right, but you're not a pro, your level of practice (both quantitative and qualitative) should not even come close to theirs, so any comparison should be pointless. IMO they SHOULD be putting time in playing those champs and against those champs that are never played. like how else are you gonna break the champion meta (or be prepared for the possibility of being on the receiving end of it) if you don't play against/with champions enough to know the things you're talking about?

you say this like it's okay for players playing this e-sport professionally. i don't agree it is

It`s basic math.

If a champion got a pickrate of 1%(means 0.1% per player and if you dont pick him it would be 0.9%) per game --> to play against the champ it would be 0.5% of games.

That means in 200 games you will see the champ once. With an avg. gamelength of like 33 mins(estimate) that would be 200x33= 6600minutes.
Add queuetime of like 3 minutes - champselect 2 mins loadingtime 1 minute = 200x6=1200

So a total of 7800 minutes = 130hours to see a champ once. Now it`s getting even worse because a lot of champs can be played in either mid/top or even jungle.

If you play the champs yourself you end up being medicore at a lot of champs and not being good on any(Your time is limited). How often are you going to break the meta? Not often enough to justify investing your time like that.

That`s why you don`t see randomplayers in sc2 at super highlvl. Even though you would`ve an edge trough being random you are just not good enough at each race to be successful.


There is so many more factors like having a limited memory and forgeting about the champ again.

sion ww and scarner have been historically good so theres no excuse for not knowing how to play vs them if you are a pro player. karma is different because she was never good

nisash you seem to not understand the point. i don't care how often you'll come up vs a champ in solo que. for the zillionth mofokin time, we're talking about a PRO team that does scrims and in-house practice.

as to how often someone will break the meta, well that's very dependant on the time spent practicing with/against non-meta champions, bit of a catch-22 in there, unfortunately you seem not to have caught it. also I wasn't only talking about you, team X, breaking the meta, but I was also talking about how you, team X, defend against other teams breaking the meta against you if you never practice with/against non-meta champions so you don't know their finer points.

This is an e-sport with hundreds of thousands of spectators and SOLID, SOLID prize money. Showing up at an event and getting choked after 20 mins by a team who's running teemo top lane is not excusable by saying "oh well we had no experience laning/playing vs him". You just lost out on possibly tens of thousands of dollars, possibly new sponsors, possibly a bigger fanbase.

It doesn't matter how often people break the meta against you, it only takes one time and you're out of a tournament. And it only takes running bad for 3 teams to do it to you in 3 consecutive tournaments because they know your team has a piss-poor grasp on non-meta champs




i mean do you even realize how bad your comparison is? Your comparison would've been fine had I asked why the **** xpeke is not as proficient at skarner as he is at leblanc, which is clearly not even close to what I did say.
So my counter comparison (one which actually makes sense) is:

You don't see players at super high lvl in sc2 going "well yeah I lost that PvZ game vs DRG because I have no experience against someone going queen/swarmhost/viper", do you? If you do, then I feel the same about that as with LOL, not enough practice/not organized enough

and not to be results oriented or anything, but IIRC all, or the vast majority, of the trundle, teemo and ww games were wins in which these picks played a big part

My point is, that proteams shouldn`t practice these champs. It`s taking away practicetime from other champs. If you don`t play your mains for a while you are going to be bad with them, we are not super humans to focus on everything. If somebody plays an offmeta champ you rely on your instincts and past memory of this champ. Or if I ask them, Champ X lvl Y build Z against champ A with lvl b and build C. Can you kill him? Should or better could(it`s just not possible with the way our memory works) they know it for every champ.

Becuase Jah is extremely nitty add those factors to the list(Stands under tower, current health, has flash/barrier/ignite, has blue/red, will take minion shots)

There is a huge difference in perfectly coordinated teamfights and soloQ. Everyone knows the champs, but how it will function in a coordinated teamfight is something else. Take a look to Curse yesterday with karthus afk farming, akali mid & panth jungle.

clearly we agree to disagree

well look at it this way. Proteams DIDN'T practice these champs or more importantly against them, they spent their time practicing their "mains". They got matched up against the non-meta champs and lost.

Your whole argument is talking about practicing champions, you're absolutely 100% ignoring the other half of the issue which is practicing against them.

And yes, I'm sure you need to keep playing shyvanna 100 times a week to keep up with her top lane matchup vs mundo, and you def can't afford to sacrifice 20 games/week with her to pick ww or trundle into tanky tops just to see how they do

Did any of the 3 get picked in s3 lcs? They have been horrible for a very long time, was the skarner ult nerf in s3?

Knowing how to play vs s2 WW isn't very relevant now with items like blade and visage being crucial items that didn't exist

its not going to be a gragas vs orianna where both sides know how its going to go down from min 1-20 but you don't need that precision.

Skarner - weak early in jungle, needs his blue buff, strong vs melee later, get a sash on your ad early
ww - push him in to tower, stay above 50%, burst him when he shows up in a team fight
sion- popular in china during s3, as well as solo q terror for a while

pros know this stuff these champs haven't changed and there core weakness haven't either

Hoping for Alliance 0-6. The DREAM

Roccat becoming a favourite team of mine to watch, just such manmode.

Only now ?

Aranae basically single handedly threw the game for Millenium. Amazing. He had like 4 facepalm moments and the game isn't even over yet

Was I the only one that found Quickshot to be really biased in favour of Alliance that game? I could be wrong, but it felt kinda odd that game

Yeah I love Roccat

Jesus this game is boring.

Prepare for an influx of Mordekaisers in solo queue!

huehuehue tell me more about why you shouldn't practice against non-meta champs

I literally knew nothing about Morde but he seems really strong

Morde has been drawing the 1st ban in Brazil for 4 years so yeah hes very strong.

Welp, Talon confirmed still terrible.

how does kassadin get thru bans? xD

ahaha those botlane picks tho