imo maining a champion from lvl 13 is suboptimal, because you don't know your playstyle or what you enjoy at higher lvls at play. finding a main you love to play is crucial to fastest improvement in a ranked game this I do believe

I agree with this. I wouldn't suggest to anyone that they only play one champ as they are leveling, but I would definitely suggest focusing on 2-3 champs at most for ranked play. Most of the significant climbing of the ranked ladder that I have done has been while focusing on one specific champ for a prolonged period of time.

i only play fiddlesticks or nasus, mostly fiddle.

fiddle is an extremely unique champion, different from most every other champion in the game. i dont feel like this has held me back in any way.

of course ill disclaim that im currently stuck in Plat I/II and have been for a while.

Wtf? Why is it that every LoL player is like this? Calm down?

Also, just an idea: I'd rather be Plat with every champion in the game, than be D1 with ziggs. You are a better player if you are plat with every champion than if you are D1 with ziggs.
Of course this comes down to personal preference. And ones you are plat with every champion you will be able to more easily main other champions, while the ziggs player, is just a ziggs player and can main similar champs.
The deciding factor for me would be not being bored to death every game.
Seriously maining one champion is boring, the game is pretty complex, 100 items, 110 champions, about 10 general roles. From that perspective alone, ****ty advice to give to a lvl 13 player.

gee, idk, maybe b/c of what i said in the rest of my post, which came before the 4 words you quoted so I know you read it,did you choose to ignore it or just don't understand it?:


but please, keep the troll going, it's mildly amusing

i mean, either you are trolling or you really are thick enough to assume me dumb enough that i'd be advocating maining 2 champs between lvl 13-30 and you either don't get that this was a discussion about how to faster climb in ranked or you legitimately think playing a ton of champs IS the fastest way, or at least as fast.
i guess the question is...which one is it?

I think the theory that a lot of people prescribe to is that it is easier to learn broad game knowledge (laning mechanics, map awareness, anticipating objectives, etc etc etc) if you don't have to worry about the mechanics of playing your champion/role, in which case it would be the opposite of what you are suggesting. If you have spent the time necessary to master the mechanics of literally every champion in the game then surely you would have some gaps in the rest of your game knowledge and ability that a similarly talented player who had spent the same amount of time as you on the game but only divided that time amongst 5-10 champs. Yes, if you take such a player and stick them on a role/champ that they haven't played much (if at all) previously, they would certainly be worse than the player who has played every champ a substantial amount, but that's not really all that valuable because (and this is especially true for non-pros) the times where literally all of a player's 4 or 5 best champs are either banned out or already chosen are pretty rare.

if you are d1 with ziggs you are better than the guy whos plat with every champion straight up. give the d1 ziggs specialist a random champion and hes by far the favorite to be better than the plat guy

Lol, so true. The derail is real though. I can't resist to give my opinion on this so here it comes:

The entire arguement makes no sense because it's all about personal preference. I'm an all-round player which means I play every role at the same level (except my jungle is a bit weaker). Does this mean I'm a better player, let's say in mid, than a challenger 1000lp "ziggs main"? Probally not because the challenger will probally be in favor with any other (mid-ap) champ you give him because he plays mechanically better (on most champs) and has better map awareness etc. I don't want to sound douchy but if you would put me vs anyone that is plat or lowtier diamond maining champ "X" with me playing any random champ I almost never play, I'll probally still come ahead most of the times because of the reasons I mentioned above.

Also with more games comes more experience, you'll get a feel for everything at some point, no matter what role or champ you play.

I do agree maining one champ is suboptimal, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it, just go for wherever your niche lies. Obviously the more you can play, the better because you will have options to counterpick and/or pick champs that synergize well with certain comps.

What you dont understand is, that anyone who mains 1 champ at D1, is WAY better than a plat. You're gold 5, its like me trying to argue with someone playing nl5k, its beyond my understanding, so I shouldnt do it.

its not exactly like that because in league mechanical skill is big, like you have d1 draven mains who are just straight ******s. So knowledge is big, firefly on these forums is silver but he knows alot of stuff, just doesn't play very much and is mechanically weak

I don't really get your point to be honest. Care to elaborate?

The point is in league anybody can contribute if your arguments seem sound.

in poker a 25nl player is bad because he just doesn't understand the game

tilt control, game selection, consistancy in poker is all secondary to knowledge. So anything he says, unless backed up by math doesn't really mean anything to a 5knl player
In league a bronze 5 player may have insights into the game that a professional player would gain from, its not common, but its not out of the realm of possiblity. Mechanics, tilt control, consistancy play a huge role, whereas knowledge is important you don't necessarily need it to be highly ranked. I mean look at dl hes a ******

You gotta remember that a bronze player is someone in the top 99%, a D1 is in the top 0.2% and a pro is in the 0.001%. A bronze doesnt have to or even CANT tell a pro how to manipulate the minion wave.

Ofc there may be some cases where a D1 may take an advice from a bronze, but I would consider it something really rare, like really really rare.

And please, a bronze 5 dont even know how to build properly a lot of times, lets not talk about knowledge. There're people on gold that aint that sad mechanically, but they lack all the knowledge in the world.

I dont think we can compare knowledge in LoL with knowledge in poker anyways, but if we gonna do it, we should take into consideration the % of the pool who can be really meaningful in an argument.

This post sums up the argument well.

Let me end this argument.

Step 1) Main Vlad

Step 2) Hit Challenger

Step 3) Keep playing Vlad

You're welcome.

Step 4) start at bronze V korean server

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this misconception i seemingly had was bothering me so i've actually been thinking about this and why i thought this may be the case, and i've found the answer:

in low elo, at least, tryndameres tend to never use Q when they're going ham and their ult is up. It took me a while to realize why i can always predict opponent trynd ults, and this is it. they go in ham and even tho their health is dropping fast, they keep their q until like the last second, whereas if they don't have ult they'll heal before dropping to 10-15% health.

Funnily enough i know this intricate thing about playing against a tryndamere without having played even 1 game with him in my prev 200 games and not more than 3-5 lifetime. and now i can use this and my other knowledge about him with any of the champs i spent those 200 games specializing in. go figure.

Technically they're doing it right when they save Q till the last second while ult is up.

They're essentially maximizing their hit points. Q'ing while your ult is active is a waste since the enemy can damage that hp while your ult is active and instantly kill you afterwards. Whereas if you Q a split second before your ult ends it maximizes the amount of time it's going to take for the enemy to kill you. You can't die while your ult is active, so what's the point in healing during that period as opposed to healing after that period when you're vunerable.

If that makes sense.

sure, i'm not saying it's wrong, just that it's a tell

You know who counters Trynd btw?

I knew it!

What happens if you're Vlad and got put in lane against....

You get a free win because Vlad > Greater than all including CN.