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Originally Posted by Mr.mmmKay
I don't get it, there are more players on the other team that can pick the bad champ, so leaving him open should always hurt the other teams win percentage more than it does yours
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Originally Posted by Scary_Tiger
This.
Plus if you're like me and going through pick and ban with the option to dodge, you can always dodge out if your team ends up with the particularly bad popular champion.
not sure if I buy these arguments against inverse bans. if i plan to go top lane and ban out leblanc before picking my toplaner, my team has 4 left to pick and theirs has 5. yet, each of us only have 1 mid laner on our team, so the chance that either team picks leblanc is mostly the same. the only time this matters is when you would inverse ban a champion that plays in your lane. (this makes me think my 80% discount factor is wrong, too)
mitigating factor: you have the names of your teammates and can look up their tendencies or talk to them.
for the dodge option: what's different between banning out OPs and dodging if your team picks UPs vs banning out UPs and dodging if their team picks OPs? is it the perception that the OPs are picked more often? but that should be accounted for in the "op/up_ev"...
however, I agree that inverse bans don't make a lot of intuitive sense, so maybe there's something there that hasn't been articulated yet. i don't know. i moved them down to the bottom of the default sort.
here's something else that's weird: a lot of the inverse bans my system is recommending are considered 'op' by the community (ryze, gragas, possibly LB). what is this all about? is this the 'gragas open who want' effect where newcomers flock to the flavor of the month champ and play it badly, driving down its winrate?
compare the experience distribution between ahri and gragas:
http://champion.gg/champion/Gragas/Jungle
http://champion.gg/champion/Ahri/Middle
something to think about.
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Originally Posted by g-bebe
Are you literally not seeing any Olaf games in these polling samples?
right now i'm filtering the tables to "must have above 1% role pickrate". i will eventually have a way to search for champions..