okay I'm on my computer:
Firstly, I was talking about offensive pushes where we have near-zero poke, no hooks or strong initiation, not really strong/bursty enough to tower dive, etc....it was a very specific situation I was thinking of that had just happened when I made the post.
Meanwhile, there are two or three creep waves pushing into bot/top towers going unfarmed. No one ever wants to get objectives. They'll dive way past a tower 3v1 to chase a guy to get a kill when we have plenty of minions at the tower and can easily knock it down. When we DO kill 2 to 3 of them, everyone backs immediately instead of taking advantage of numbers or other opportunities. You know, all the stuff that basically happens in Bronze games pretty consistently =P
I take your advice for what it is, and I'll agree that if I'm the carry (or carrying, whether I'm "the carry" or not) I need to be there with the team. I'm not the guy that roams the map trying to get to 20/0 while leaving my teammates to die or ignoring winning strategy. I hate that guy =P It's great that you got 20 kills, bro, but you did almost nothing to help the team actually win the game. That's not me. I do a lot of the things that help win games that may not necessarily show up on the scoreboard and I understand that. I don't care about recognition or scores. I just want to win